Black95-850T5R

anyone who does not regard hezbollah as a terrorist organization should be considered a terrorist themselves...go blow something up in qatar. dirka dirka mohammed jihad FTW

Words do not describe how stupid you are. The UN doesn't regard Hezbollah as a terrorist orgnization and by your logic, the UN is a terrorist orgnization too. Wait, who recognized the right for Israel to exist in the first place?? Oh yeah, it was the UN!!!!!!!!!! Your idiocy and ignorance is beyond me, but I can't expect otherwise from someone with neons on his Volvo

Wow, we are discussing some of these same issues on an Indian forum I frequent. Both sides have presented good points in the debate, but I must side with the right group, the group that sees justification in the Israeli invasion after a terrorist organization crossed a border and kidnapped two soldiers IN UNIFORM, and the side that justifies invasion of Iraq based solely on the fact that Saddam Hussein was a genocidal maniac. Forget WMDs, if he didn't have them, then he would have in the future. That to me, is one less problem for my kids to worry about.

I do have to agree on the "consensus" that GWB and his "posse" has brought about the largest failure of foreign policy in the nation's history, and that the foreign battles we fight, though I support them fully, have been mishandled. I have no facts or quotes to support my beliefs, I just call it how I see it.

And, as I was scanning through this worldly debate, I read a statement on the terms of: "it's not okay to defend your territory if you're not wearing a uniform?"

What a blatently stupid question or statement. Of course it's not okay to do such a malicious evil. When you don't wear a uniform, you are capable of mixing into the civilian population at any given moment, and thus use civilians as human shields. Ask the hundreds of deceased Lebanese about how that feels. Using your own people as human shields is NOT okay. This is why Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, Al-Macsa Martyr's Brigade, and other "groups" are called terrorists, and not armies.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=90...689197790&q

I'm out of this thread too.

Love,

who wouldn't want to end it for good? I mean, I think Lebanon itself is at fault here the most. They have a known terrorist organization operating parts of the government, and now their civilians are dying because of these idiots, and they are also against the Iraeli invasion, but hello you dumb idiot Lebanese ignorant asswipes, send your military in, help eliminate Hezbollah, and Israel will leave, and your land will be safer for people to live in. I swear, some of these governments (ie Syria, Iran, Lebanon) are the dumbest, most ignorant idiots on the face of the planet. They complain about everything, and they don't want their borders compromised, and yet, they allow terrorist groups to participate in politics.

Hezbollah was born in 1982 to resist the merciless Israeli invasion of Lebanon that killed 17,000 Palestinians and Lebanese. The Lebanese government doesn't have the weapons and army to resist any Israeli invasion, but Hezbollha, sponsered by Syria and Iran, does or at least tries to. Do you think the Lebanese gov would get rid of Hezbollah that easily or at all?

ONLY the US and Israel regard Hezbollah as a terrorist orgnization, ohh and Canada too.

The United Nations Deputy Secretary-General, Mark Malloch Brown, contested characterisations of the Lebanese militia as a terrorist organisation in the mould of al-Qaeda and stated that the United States and the international community must respect Hezbollah as a political party, not a terrorist organization.

It's disguised as a holy war, but has more to do with both American and Zionist Imperialism and more so to do with $$$$$$$$$$$$.

+1

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...;articleId=2824

So, no one watched the movie I posted? :rolleyes:

i don't have an hour + to dedicate to it. whats the cliff notes.

You have to watch it to make the conclusions yourself. Watch the first few minutes if you don't have time to watch it all.

Since I don't have the permission to post a new topic on this forum, I'll just post it here. (maybe the Admin. can make it a seperate thread)

This is a video that shows you Americans, that rely only on the U.S. media, the reality of what's happening in the ME, and why the Muslims/Arabs hate the israelis.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696

haha then i guess you are talking about hamas...

israel doesnt TRY to kill innocent people

hamas and hezbollah do.

120 Lebanese civilians killed. And how many militants were amongst them? poking zero.

Your reasoning for going to war was always to return your poking soldiers. But, instead all you do is

bombing an international civilian airport, bombing bridges, homes, electricity, fuel, and TV stations,..

israel is as evil as the "terrorists" they're fighting and million times more dangerous with their advanced weaponry.

If you wanted peace, you would've exchange the thousands of lebanese in your prisons for your 2 poking soldiers.

I suppose if someone was was holding your mother in prison, you'd want her back.

Nothing but civilian and baby killers. monkey israel.

Give war a chance!!!

Yeah, let's use forbidden weapons against civilians. I guess Hizboallah are not the only terrorists.

He also must realise that most non muslims have not read or could care less about whats written in the Koran.

However, some people are curious to find out what's written in the last holy book.

Yea, The Carefour (that's what we were told it's called) Down by Al Corniche road is one of the most awesome malls I've been to ever. How's the construction coming down there, I plan on visiting again in the future, outside of work that is.

The mall that has Carefour is called "City Center". They're doing major construction right now in preparation for the 15th Asian Games in December :D

so you mean to tell me that every Quran in circulation today was printed up on one of God's printing presses and distributed to all Muslims in the world and that no where in history man did not have a hand in the printing, and distribution of the Quran?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran

Black, how many pilars of faith are in your version of Islam?

5

# The profession of faith in Allah

# Prayer

# The paying of alms

# Fasting

# The Pilgrimage to Mecca

And no Jihad is not the 6th pillar.

WHY DON'T THE NON-RADICAL, GOOD MUSLIMS stand up and help their governments (ex Iran and Syria) catch the RADICAL Islamic terrorists?

WHY DON'T WE SEE PROTESTS here in the US or in Europe in support of their adopted countries? They seem to be able to organize and protest against say, discrimination in the wake of 9-11 or some cartoons about their religeon quite effectively.

In a war such as this, I would certainly think that they would want to take clear sides on this.

WHERE ARE THEY and WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?

Saudi Arabia did standup against the extrimests recently. Iran is full of radicals, and Syria simply want Isreal out of Al Aqsa = Jerusalem.

Most muslims in the ME are against the extremists, but at the same time want israel out of Jerusalem peacefully.

thats the problem with the Bible the Quran and the "true" Torah, they are all written by man and there fore they are flawed.

WRONG. They all originally were written by God. The Bible and Torah were modified by men like you and me, but the Quran was/is not.

Black95-850T5R: Do you live in Doha? I spent a couple months out there, I though that it was a really cool place. Beautiful city.

yea I do. It's one of the most peaceful and friendly places ever.

"The earliest known mention of the name 'Israel', probably referring to a group of people rather than to a place, is the Egyptian Merneptah Stele dated to about 1211 BCE. [4] For over 3,000 years, Jews have regarded the Land of Israel as their homeland, both as a Holy Land and as a Promised land. The land of Israel holds a special place in Jewish religious obligations, encompassing Judaism's most important sites — including the remains of the First and Second Temples, as well as the rites concerning those temples. [5] Starting around 1200 BCE, a series of Jewish kingdoms and states existed intermittently in the region for more than a millennium.

Under Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Byzantine, and (briefly) Sassanian rule, Jewish presence in the province dwindled due to mass expulsions. In particular, the failure of the Bar Kochba Revolt against the Roman Empire resulted in the large-scale expulsion of Jews. It was during this time that the Romans gave the name Syria Palaestina to the geographic area, in an attempt to erase Jewish ties to the land. The Mishnah and Jerusalem Talmud, two of Judaism's most important religious texts, were composed in the region during this period. The Muslims conquered the land from the Byzantine Empire in 638 CE. The area was ruled by various Muslim states (interrupted by the rule of the Crusaders) before becoming part of the Ottoman Empire in 1517."

some more israel history

Yes, GOD gave the holy land to israel as mentioned in the Quran and the "true" Torah.

" And verily We gave the Children of Israel the Scripture and the Command and the Prophethood, and

provided them with good things and favored them above (all) peoples."(Al-Jathiyah:16) i.e. the peoples of their time.

BUT, they didn't deserve it because of disobeying God, fabrications, and wanting to kill the Prophets as also mentioned in the Quran. So, God gave the land to the deserving Muslims 1500 years ago.

" That is because they say: We have no duty to the Gentiles.

They speak a lie concerning Allah knowingly." (Al-`Imran:75) Also: "The Jews

say: Allah's hand is fettered. Their hands are fettered and they are

accursed for saying so. Nay, but both His hands are spread out wide in

bounty. He bestoweth as He will." (Al-Ma`idah:64)

In another verse Almighty Allah says: "Verily Allah heard the saying of

those who said, (when asked for contributions to the war): "Allah, forsooth,

is poor, and we are rich! We shall record their saying with their slaying of

the Prophets wrongfully and We shall say: Taste ye the punishment of

burning!" (Al-`Imran:181)

"Their

Prophet said unto them: Lo! Allah hath raised up Saul to be a king for you.

They said: How can he have kingdom over us when we are more deserving of the

kingdom than he is, since he hath not been given wealth enough?"

(Al-Baqarah: 247)

he just said leave the ME alone. So lets build a wall between the geographic areas and be done with it.

I said israel should get out of the ME. Who said anything about walls?

I love this part

"The 20th Century Muslim scholar, Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi writes,

"...the exegetists and jurists have drawn the principle that those who are non-combatants should not be killed during or after a war."

"'No prisoner should be put to the sword' is a very clear and unequivocal instruction given by the Prophet...'The Prophet has prohibited the killing of anyone who is tied or is in captivity.'"

yeah they have done a good job living up to their own code.

"And we prescribe for them therein the life for a life, the eye for the eye, the nose for the nose, the ear for the ear, the tooth for the tooth, and for wounds of retaliation. But whosoever forgives it (in the way of charity), it shall be expiation for him. Whosoever judges not by that which God has revealed, such as wrongdoers." (Qur'an 5:45)

i'm just saying he's no coward and not a coward for his country.

mike

lol, mandatory training != fighting in a war.

what an ignorant thing to say. because they so happen to be muslim does that mean they represent islam? hell no!!! and to call them "fundamentalist" is as far from the truth as you can get. do you know that the humanitarian rules of war that the United Nations drafted were adopted from the teachings of Islam? Get educated!

by the same logic if hitler was a christian than all christians are anti semetic?

can you say brain washed by political propoganda??????????

Finally someone is using his head and making sense, thank you sir.

I have several friends in the middle east and everyone of them HATE islam. Some are male some are female and all of them say Islam is a generally monkeyed up "religion" and they can not wait to get out of the countries they are in.

Your point is? I know Americans here that converted to Isalm and would never go back to the US

i'm pretty sure he did, or at least trained. there's a pic in the "what you look like" thread him over there training.

mike

lol, mandatory training != fighting in a war.

They are. Unfortunately, civilians will die. It happens. It's war. If Hezbollah hadn't done what it did, those 47 civilians would be alive today.

There is nothing to argue. Nothing I have said is false and you know it. The finger of blame is on Hezbollah. I HOPE THE LEBANESE WILL GET THEIR COUNTRY BACK FROM SYRIA AND HEZBOLLAH. Maybe you don't about that, I do.

The Middle East countries needs to grow up, face reality, and stop blaming Israel for every single problem and fix what is truly wrong- radical islam, corruption, and dictatorships.

israel is a bunch of hypocritical cowards who are taking a land that's not theirs. Get the monkey off of the ME and everything will be fine<<fact.

ISRAEL does not blow up weddings.

ISRAEL does not blow up busses

ISRAEL does not behead infidels.

And if they do, it's an accident, or their cowardly target chose to surround himself 24/7 with people willing to do so and Israel had no choice.

Hezbollah does blow up weddings

Hezbollah does blow up busses

Hezbollah does behead infidels (well Al Qaida, but who can tell)

If Hezbollah doesn't it means Israeli security forces stopped them.

IF Israel takes over the world, we have a democracy with freedom of religeon and woman drivers

IF Hezbollah, Al Qaida, or Hamas takes over the world, we have a Theocracy, with Shira, and women in Chadours.

My gun points with the Israeli ones.

And Hezbollah started this The led an attack, captured two soldiers and blew up eight soldiers who came after them. They are reaping the whirlwind. I hope they get annihalated.

you live billion miles away and watch cnn and think you know it all. Your post is full of bull and not related to the topic of this thread, so I'm not going to argue with you.

And Hezbollah started this. They led the attack, captured two soldiers and blew up eight soldiers who came after them. So you think it's OK they killed eight soldiers since they were just trying to pick up a few bargaining chips for a prisoner swap? YOU are the dumbsh!t.

Where did I say it's OK? Why kill civilians??? go for hezbollah if you want to retaliate back.

Go israel!!!

I am so sick of this dirty arab I'm dumb where they blow up innocent people, regardless of age. I am sick of dirty arabs kidnapping innocent soldiers and religious students and shooting them in the head then leaving them to rot on the side of the road...

My favorite statement made so far by the head of the israeli military "If Lebanon doesnt release the two soldiers they kidnapped, we will make it look like it did 20 years ago"

I am just going to grab a bag of popcorn and watch israel blow the stuff out of all the uncivilized terorist countries...Its funny, such a small state has the most advanced military in the world.

I just hope more innocent people stop getting killed.

I think you got it backwards DUMBSHIT!!

They kidnapped 2 soldiers to force israel release the THOUSANDS of Lebanese officials in israeli prisons. In return, israel kills 47 CIVILIANS.

If you’re really that angry at the “uncivilized terrorist countries”, maybe you should go fight for your country coward.

And thank the US for your military forces tard.

:lol:

Both cars are lovely :wub: