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The Crusades attacked and killed tons of Muslims. The war was started by the Christians. This isn't terror? Is it only terror when the attacker doesn't wear a uniform? Civil rights in the west are currently under siege. We have no right to tell other nations how to live. Look at our crime rates, our rape rates, our divorce rates, our child molestation rates. Muslims are accountable to standards some much stricter than the west. See more below on other numbers. Muslims believe Christ was a great prophet. Muslims follow Judaic law, it is where they get their strict laws from. Muslims, Christians and Jews are all people of the book. They all believe in the Old Testament. So we have shared values from a common source. There are Facists on all sides. It was a Jewish man who killed Rabin. Israeli commanders have admitted this raid was planned before the kidnapping. Israel has been kidnapping people from Lebanon for years and Hizbollah has asked for them back numerous times. Hizbollah gave advanced notice to Israel that if kidnapped Lebanese citizens were not returned, Israeli soldiers would be kidnapped. Israel kidnaps citizens, Hizbollah kidnaps soldiers. If Israel's goal was to get the soldiers returned alive bombing places they might be held will not achieve that goal. They may kill their own soldiers. So what is the reason for bombing civilian targets? To inflict pain and damage upon the Lebanese people. Israel can't kill women and children by the 100,000's. Then Syria, Iran would step into the fray. The UN would have to step in. Saudi would be under pressure from the Arab league to cut oil to America. So Israel can't do it. They are pushing the boundaries as far as they can currently. The Stern and the Irgun used terrorism on the English. The Irgun bombed the King David Hotel. If Hizbollah lays down its weapons, Israel can continue to kidnap Lebanese citzens, occupy Southern Lebanon, divert water away from the Palestinians and continue to oppress them. This is peace? Many Muslim nations in history had Jews living among them in peace. The people in Palestine were kicked off their land. The West Bank and the Gaza strip are lands that Israel stole when it started the 6 day war in 1967. The English promised the Arabs for their help in World War One, it is called the McMahon agreement. Then years later the English promised the land to the Jews under the Balfour declaration. What are western divorce rates? What are western rape rates? What are western child molestation rapes. All considerably high than any Arab nation. So how can be pious and judge their values? Free Speech? only in a Bush approved zone. Perhaps you have missed the story of the teenager who had the FBI knock on his door for having a anti-Bush poster a few years ago. Free countries existed before the United States. The ancient Greeks has a modern style government and a court system. Where do you think we got ours from? I do think the United States is a great country and I am a Capitalist (a responsible one). I too fear what the future holds in the USA. The Patriot Act, Guantanamo Bay (Supreme Court has ruled military trails illegal). I am concerned about Bush's end runs around the Constitution with his use of signing statements. The American Bar Association has come out and said Bush is undermining the Constitution. Bush has used 800 signing statements, that is more than all the prior Presidents combined. 1. Iran and Syria are not the enemy, neither is Hamas or Hizbollah. Hamas and Hizbollah are both democratically elected Government parties. Hizbollah was formed in 1982 in response to Israel's invasion of Lebanon when Israel commited horrible war crimes and killed 2000 innocent men, woman, and children. Sharon was chastised by an Israeli commitee for it. Hizbollah builds hospitals, helps educated the Lebanese with schools, it helps them rebuild homes. Neither Hamas or Hizbollah have any interest in America. Al Qaida is the enemy, yet we seem to have forgotten that. We still haven't found Bin Laden, kind of tough when you have diverted your resources else where. 2. The west weak willed? Perhaps I have missed something, Bush has started two wars, far from weak willed. To question your Government is patriotic, in Communist societies you don't have this luxury, this is what separates us and you want to take it away? Blindly follow the party line? That is what got us Stalin and Mao. American Governments never had a problem supporting Dictators with horrible human rights records if it suited itself. The Shah of Iran, Cheney wanted to give it nuclear weapons, today Iran is in compliance with the non-profileration treaty and their is no evidence that it is pursuing nuclear weapons. Nations in South America are doing the exact same thing as Iran and it doesn't make the news. The CIA helped put Saddam in power. They gave him biological weapons (as seen on 60 minutes). Rumsfield and the gang helped finance Saddam during the 80's and shipped him weapons and they were aware of his human rights violations. The CIA put Pinochet in power overthrowing a democratically elected President and look what a monster Pinochet was. The cancer is the politics of fear that Bush and his cronies use to control the masses. I would have considered myself a Republican before Bush. The politics of ideas is difficult, fear is easy. It is incumbent on the masses to fight the brain washing and the fear mongering and demand the politics of ideas from our leaders. America is a great nation. One which values free speech, they don't ship people who disagree off somewhere else. They only people who have a true land right in America are the native Indians or Aboriginals. Everyone else emigrated from some where else. This idea of sides is divisive. I am on the side of honestly, the side of strength, the side of compassion. I am the side of diplomacy, the side of free speech. I am on the side of inclusiveness. I am on the side of acceptance. I am on the side of civil rights. I am on the side of the Consitution. For those who are interested I have found an interesting Foriegn News Correspondent who writes for several papers. He is an American who served in the US military and fought in Vietnam. He is from New York, his father is Jewish and his mother is an Albanian Muslim. He lived in the Middle East for years. He has degrees from NYU, Georgetown University and the University of Geneva. He has an editor for the American Conservative Magazine. His name is Eric Margolis http://www.ericmargolis.com/

Such a facist remark. My post attacked no one personally. But to enlighten you a little. I have both Muslims and Christians in my family. I was raised as a Christian. I have not advocated violence. I would like to see a peacefully solution. I do not hate the Jewish people or any other group of people. However I believe that a balanced approach needs to be taken in the Middle East. I am a conservative but not a neo-conservative. I know it sounds cliche, but it is true, my best friend is Jewish. FYI Dirka, dirka is highly offensive but I imagine that wouldn't make a difference to you.

Plenty of Religions have used terrorism to achieve their aims, Judaism has and Christianity has. Sometimes it is done under the banner of a nation state. The ones who blow themselves up are the most desperate and in my opinion oppressed. However Christians have been Suicide Bombers. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/821425/posts Israel is not morally accountable and it hasn't been since it formed as a nation in modern times in 1947. Israel pushes the boundaries as far as the born again Christians in American politics let them. America gives Israel a fortune in Aid. America supplies a plethora in weapons, most recent they expedited a missile shipment to help the Israelis kill even more innocent Lebanese. Israel has clandestinely developed nuclear arms and it jailed the whistle who warned the world yet not one UN weapons inspector has set foot on Israeli soil. Israel has violated more UN resolutions than any other nation yet they have never been subject to economic sanctions like Iraq was. Plenty of Jewish people around the world has spoken out about Israel's terrorist actions. Even Albert Einstein. Victor Ostrovsky has told the world about the deceptive and illegal pracrices of the Mossad. He is an ex-Mossad agent living in Canada. A major figure in Israel called on Canadian Jews to kill Victor because the Mossad couldn't do it without causing a diplomatic incident. As far as the conflict between Sunni's and Shiites, the Americans created the most recent conflict by their invasion of Iraq. The Jews have been persecuted in the past but that doesn't give Israel the excuse to persecute and oppress others. Here are some links to back up my points. Moredecai Vanunu (Israeli nuclear whistleblower) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/corr...ent/2841377.stm Victor Ostrovsky (ex Mossad whistle blower) http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0195/9501017.htm Albert Einstein (letter condemning Israel's actions) http://colorado.indymedia.org/newswire/dis...10348/index.php UN resolutions against Israel http://www.action-for-un-renewal.org.uk/pa...resolutions.htm US aid to Israel http://www.washington-report.org/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm America rushed missiles to Israel http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/22/world/mi...nyt&emc=rss I come here for car advice. I won't be back to the political discussion board but I thought this thread need some balancing and perspective.

I might be stating the obvious but which ever car you decide to buy get a trust worthy mechanic to inspect the acr before you turn over your money. He may find evidence of accidents/flood damage etc. You don't want to end up with a Katrina special.

Fox News has to be one of the worst news sources around. O'Reilly, Coulter and Fox News have an ongoing feud with one of our TV Networks the CBC. The CBC exposed the factual inaccuracies in FOX's news reporting and FOX has never got over it. Canadians don't hate Americans, Carolyn Parish doesn't speak for us. Many Canadians dislike the current US Adminstration and Foreign Policy. Some Canadians agree with it. There were a ton of Americans in Toronto for the Canada Day weekend and your July 4th weekend. The Americans were welcomed with opened arms and Torontonians (from what I say) were very friendly and helpful.