I tend not to reply to posts at work, but this thread has raised a number of issues, one of which is near and dear to me and I am compelled to add my voice -- for better or worse. I, too, was at the dinner Travis mentioned, and the upshot is that if things stay on their present course, VCOA will eventually cease to exist. Membership has been gradually declining with little in the way of new enrollment. Say what you will about VCOA: that it's for older people more concerned with vintage iron than performance, that it's more about social events than DIY -- whatever. The fact is that VCOA was formed as a reaction to VSA's 1800 bias, and their history of trying to grow with the evolving demographic of Volvo ownership speaks to this. What I heard at this dinner was an attempt at an outreach to all you guys, because those who gradually find themselves long-time Volvo owners are the future of this club. If there is no interest, there will be no national club for Volvo owners. Period. Okay, the "Volvos at Carlisle" thing was a day late and a dollar short, but we're talking about a volunteer organization and I'm sure everyone here who does something else for a living (pretty much all of us) will appreciate how hard it is to always be an efficient communicator. I certainly speak for myself here. You want to build exposure for this site, Chuck, and I can appreciate that. You've done a yeoman's work here, and as far as I'm concerned, VS is the best there is, which is why I support it and spend more time here. I've met some great people, received some solid advice, bought and sold a thing or two. But I also support VCOA. Occasionally, the discounts I get on parts when I have to go to the dealer more than pay for my membership. I've also met some great people from whom I've received guidance and advice, and bought and sold a thing or two through the magazine. If we continue to work at cross-purposes and find cause to throw verbal darts across the ether, nothing good will come from it.