Security Rounds

[Che'_Moderator]

ok, that begs the question, If you're at the top, I'm gonna guess Rich is your #2 man... who's 3?

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1. Rich/Myself

2. OH Mods

3. Mods

4. Monkeys

[jross]

I wasn't criticizing the "security rounds", I just didn't like the guy's attitude.

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I don't think anyone did O_o

I know I was trying to point out the propaganda war everyone's in denial about. I don't think any of us "hippies" said the troops were in the wrong. It's combat, and the Iraqi combatants were just that -- combatants. You pick up a gun, you monkey with us, we monkey you back, and if we didn't, we monkeyed up.

[BeachRat]

I don't think anyone did O_o

I know I was trying to point out the propaganda war everyone's in denial about. I don't think any of us "hippies" said the troops were in the wrong. It's combat, and the Iraqi combatants were just that -- combatants. You pick up a gun, you monkey with us, we monkey you back, and if we didn't, we monkeyed up.

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And if the Iraqis have internet blogging, I'm sure somebody in Arabic is typing about putting a few extra AK rounds in an American to be sure he's dead. Like Mr Admin said, there are two sides, yours and theirs. However, all you really see is the flash of the muzzle from the guy shooting at you.

[jross]

And if the Iraqis have internet blogging, I'm sure somebody in Arabic is typing about putting a few extra AK rounds in an American to be sure he's dead. Like Mr Admin said, there are two sides, yours and theirs. However, all you really see is the flash of the muzzle from the guy shooting at you.

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Whoops, re-reading I think I got misinterpreted. "I don't think anyone did" was aimed at "I wasn't criticizing [...]", not "I just didn't [...]".

And there's more than two sides. There's alot of people who think this whole war bit is nonesense...

[AnthonyR]

ok, that begs the question, If you're at the top, I'm gonna guess Rich is your #2 man... who's 3?

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It's either me or Joe, but I vote for me seriously, who do you think made JHE an OH (I'll give you one guess... me!)

[fromtheshadows]

nice discussion. theres a fire in here. i wouldve shot him. out of fear for my own life and my company. That soldier did his job. You cant expect a kid trained to be a killing machine to make a perfect calculated decision in war, theres no time to calculate, youll end up a statistic. And as far as war crimes, I think the playing field should be fair, meaning that if your enemy will stop at nothing, the definition of what a war crime is should be rethought. That said, I still think this war is a travesty, a misuse of power and my tax dollars. i cant stand THE MAN. (not you volvospeed admin) down with the man.

[jester1182]

They're Called Security Rounds

In response to the news blurb about the Marine who put two rounds in a

wounded insurgent's head in Fallujah, here's a response from a Marine:

It's a safety issue pure and simple. After assaulting through a target,

put a security round in everybody's head. Sorry al-Reuters, there's no

paddy wagon rolling around Fallujah picking up "prisoners" and offering

them a hot cup a joe, falafel, and a blanket. There's no time to dick

around in the target, you clear the space, dump the chumps, and move

on.org.

Are Corpsman expected to treat wounded terrorists? Negative. Hey libs,

worried about the defense budget? Well, it would be waste, fraud, and

abuse for a Corpsman to spend one man minute or a battle dressing on a

terrorist, its much cheaper to just spend the $.02 on a 5.56mm FMJ.

By the way, terrorists who chop off civilian's heads are not prisoners,

they are carcasses.

UPDATE: Let me be very clear about this issue. I have looked around the

web, and many people get this concept, but there are some stragglers.

Here is your situation Marine. You just took fire from unlawful

combatants shooting from a religious building attempting to use the

sanctuary status of their position as protection. But you're in

Fallujah now, and the Marine Corps has decided that they're not playing

that game this time. That was Najaf. So you set the mosque on fire and

you hose down the terrorists with small arms, launch some AT-4s, some

40MM grenades into the building and things quiet down. So you run over

there, and find some tangos wounded and pretending to be dead. You are

aware that suicide martyrdom is like really popular with these kinds of

idiots, and like taking some Marines with them would be really cool. So

you can either risk your life and your fire team's lives by having them

cover you while you bend down and search a guy that you think is

pretending to be dead for some reason. Also, you don't know who or what

is in the next room, and you're already speaking English to each other

and its loud because your hearing is poor from shooting people for

several days. So you know that there are many other rooms to enter, and

that if anyone is still alive in those rooms, they know that Americans

are in the mosque. Meanwhile (3 seconds later), you still have this

terrorist that was just shooting at you from a mosque playing possum.

What do you do?

You double tap his head, and you go to the next room, that's what.

What about the Geneva Conventions and all that Law of Land Warfare

stuff? What about it. Without even addressing the issues at hand you

first thought should be, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6."

Bear in mind that this is a perpetual mindset that in reinforced by

experience on a minute by minute basis. Secondly, you are fighting an

unlawful combatant in a Sanctuary which is a double No No on his part.

Third, tactically you are in no position to take "prisoners" because

there are more rooms to search and clear, and the behavior of said

terrorist indicates that he is up to no good. No good in Fallujah is a

very large place and the low end of no good and the high end of no good

are fundamentally the same... Marines get hurt or die. So there is no

compelling reason for you to do anything but double tap this idiot and

get on with the mission.

If you are a veteran then everything I have just written is self

evident, if you are not a veteran than at least try to put yourself in

the situation. Remember, in Fallujah there is no yesterday, there is no

tomorrow, there is only now. Right NOW. Have you ever lived in NOW for

a week? It is not easy, and if you have never lived in NOW for longer

than it takes to finish the big roller coaster at Six Flags, then shut

your hole about putting Marines in jail for war crimes. Be advised, I

am not talking to my readers, but if this post gets linked up, I want

regular folks to get this message loud and clear. Froggy OUT.

Good blogs...

My 2 cents.  If some one breaks into your house with a gun and pops a shot at you are you gonna shoot back if you have a firearm?  If you don't your a fool, for those of you who can read what if you wound him?  Armed robber laying on your floor bleeding and he refuses to throw out his weapon.  I hope you see where I am going with this.

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where was the original article?

[Che'_Moderator]

where was the original article?

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ABC News.... Go figure Ah

[Guest DougK]

Very intresting... agree with you a 100 percent.

Better him than me... that attitude is fine by me.

[freeskier8585]

or better him than your men.... if he was thinking something it think it would be that.

[drPheta]

This liberal agrees with company safety. Good post.

[Flyby]

Good stuff. I think his attitude is the way it is, because he probably told someone this and they exploded... It happened to my friend at a debate at our college... Someone said, "well have you fought in a war? huh huh huh?" I thought it was over, he said "actually yes! I just got back a month ago... I held friends dying in my arms, saw kids my age get their legs blown off... yes, I have fought in a war, and how dare you treat me, my fellow soldiers that are still over there, and your country like that."

None of us know what really goes on in war (assuming there are no Vets here). But I know a few people, and they HATE talking about it. This guy was about to kick his (Filter is smarter than me)