The Real Obama

[flyfishing3]

just post in these threads to "poke the bear".

haha me too.

[ErikS]

Taxes spread wealth, affliations aside, that is their function.

[Fudge_Brownie]

do you work? your the workign class. all of us except JOE maybe.

my wife has to work to maintain our lifestye. i gave her the chcoice when we moved. big house and keep working or small house and stay home. she has a masters and wanted to work.

i belive we are the avg JOE. three kids. Had a dog etc. push mower.

they should of looked into Joe before picking somebody with all kinds of stuff hiding.

if the press was so left they would be talkinga bout palins affair. that was squashed by the right who OWN the news.

the average joe's i've met are lazy and blame everyone else for their troubles in life.

sure, the average joe is the working joe. but i think you all need to be more clear. Dave is refering to the blue collar class, and flyfishing is calling all those not rich enough to retire the literal working class.

//crap this thread moves fast

[flyfishing3]

to bad we'll never have more options. bring back steve forbes please.

[Zappo]

so you all support spreading the wealth who support Obama?

When I see it, I will believe it. I highly doubt any wealth will be heading my way regardless of who is president. The only way money is coming my way is if I make it.

[Zappo]

but the average house hold has 2.3 kids... you do not... so you are not the average household/average joe if you want to get into it

who cares if he is hiding stuff... it is not about Joe the Plumber... its about the "average joe"... him having tax issues has NOTHING to do with the fact that he will be taxed out the ass if he buys the business he wants and makes over 250k.

Sam the plumber isn't average, and it is odd that the conservatives are championing a divorced guy as their role model. Maybe with all his TV appearances he can pay is bills.

If he buys the business, he no longer fits the average definition.

[Zappo]

to bad we'll never have more options. bring back steve forbes please.

You do have more options. Have you seen some of the other parties on the ballot? You have like 8 choices, but McCain, Obama and Nader are probably the only ones you have ever heard of.

I voted yesterday and considered Iron Monkey as a write in candidate for president. :lol:

[Pops Racer]

When I see it, I will believe it. I highly doubt any wealth will be heading my way regardless of who is president. The only way money is coming my way is if I make it.

SO you trust yourself to support your lifestyle, instead of govt. Good for you.

I've got below average credit card debt, mortgage on an 1800sqft house, college tuition for 2 sons, a dog, a working wife that carries our health care. And I'll be 50 next year, tho I don't look a day over 39 .

I am unemployed. Since June. And not whining about it. But on one income and some periodic cash from me, the economy is a big deal. CT stifles business with taxes and regulations, and crazy licensing requirements for folks in my trade. So for the 4th time in 25 yrs I may be changing my career and getting retrained. Gotta adapt or die. At best our household income could be

$150,000.00. Not a lot. We have no car notes but plenty of repair bills, 3 Volvos and a VW don't ya know. I just sunk $20K into my house, my whole savings, to put on a new roof, convert from electric to propane heat, and some energy efficient and low water use appliances, plus make my cars more reliable. Then I lost my job. No cash in the bank, but I'm solid at home, and won't touch my retirement. The folks I work for, normally, are very well off. I want them to keep their money so they can spend it on my services, and then tell their rich friends how great I am.

I could vote fro Bob Barr. Libertarian party has some interesting items in their platform.

I guess I'm pretty average. But don't call me rich and tax me outta town.

[Che'_Moderator]

I've got below average credit card debt, mortgage on an 1800sqft house, college tuition for 2 sons, a dog, a working wife that carries our health care. And I'll be 50 next year, tho I don't look a day over 39

Well theres the problem

All kidding aside I hear that a lot. You're not supposed to be in dept.

[s70turbo1998]

The Real Obama is at my school right now. I'd love to go see him just for history's sake but people have been camping out to get into our Convo center (holds ~3000 the way it is set up right now) since last night... Class was canceled however!

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Marxists

[Boost_Junky]

Marxists

Dave, Dave, Dave...

Let me site an article from Noam Chomsky that sites the book "Propaganda" by Edward Bernays;

"it is possible to "regiment the public mind every bit as much as an army regiments their bodies." These new techniques of regimentation of minds, he said, had to be used by the intelligent minorities in order to make sure that the slobs stay on the right course. We can do it now because we have these new techniques."

"When you critique the media and you say, look, here is what Anthony Lewis or somebody else is writing, they get very angry. They say, quite correctly, "nobody ever tells me what to write. I write anything I like. All this business about pressures and constraints is nonsense because I’m never under any pressure." Which is completely true, but the point is that they wouldn’t be there unless they had already demonstrated that nobody has to tell them what to write because they are going say the right thing. If they had started off at the Metro desk, or something, and had pursued the wrong kind of stories, they never would have made it to the positions where they can now say anything they like. The same is mostly true of university faculty in the more ideological disciplines. They have been through the socialization system."

The fact is the media has an agenda. Their agenda is getting you to vote for the candidate that supports their business. Be very critical of their stories. Please read the sited article to gain a different view on media.

Chomsky view on media

[Pops Racer]

Hmmm, mildly enlightening. Whats Chomsky's political persuasion, just so I can get a frame of reference for his position.

[Boost_Junky]

Hmmm, mildly enlightening. Whats Chomsky's political persuasion, just so I can get a frame of reference for his position.

American.

edit: So as not to seem deceiving, his information can be looked up on Wikipedia. Sited;

“Avram Noam Chomsky (pronounced /noʊm ˈtʃɑmski/; born December 7, 1928) is an American linguist, philosopher,[2][3][4] cognitive scientist, political activist, author, and lecturer. He is an Institute Professor emeritus and professor emeritus of linguistics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.[5] Chomsky is well known in the academic and scientific community as the father of modern linguistics.[6][7] Since the 1960s, he has become known more widely as a political dissident, an anarchist,[8] and a libertarian socialist intellectual.”

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sweet