Gideon35T Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 You're not forced into having insurance. You only have to have it if you opt into driving on public roads. Which is a privelage and not a right. It's the reason why I don't complain about airport security bull. I CHOOSE to opt into their service fully aware of such mandates and proceedures. Furthermore, deaths from speeding kill more in this country than firearms but you think speed limits are bad? ... Just ... WTF? ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Your insurance costs for automobile insurance would be vastly higher if there wasn't a State requirement that every car owner carry it. Just as an example for instance how requiring it lowers costs for everyone. Gideon you amaze me, you actually think the airport security theater works. I'm not a tinfoil hat kind of guy and even I can see the pragmatic reasons why it's intended to create the aura of security rather than actually fostering security. What it does is calm the public, create jobs / an industry, and waste our taxpayer dollars. So yes, I'll complain about that. I'm all for supporting effective security measures. But we've already been down this path once in this thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 i don't know about where you are, but you are not buying a house without proof of ins here, you are not driving off the car lot without proof of ins. getting a mortage, if you don't have enough down you have PMI. secondly gideon, why do you insist on repping me down numerous times in this thread?. you will notice, we've had pages of varying discussion in the political area without reckless repping down. i don't care about the system, but repping somebody down for their convictions is poor form IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 He lives in the desert in Arizona and if I've followed his living off the grid thread thoroughly, I don't think he has a mortgage. Since the cars are used, it's only a question of whether the State requires proof of insurance to register the car - which I'm certain they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon35T Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) Gideon you amaze me, you actually think the airport security theater works. I'm not a tinfoil hat kind of guy and even I can see the pragmatic reasons why it's intended to create the aura of security rather than actually fostering security. What it does is calm the public, create jobs / an industry, and waste our taxpayer dollars. So yes, I'll complain about that. I'm all for supporting effective security measures. But we've already been down this path once in this thread. I didn't say that it works. Because it doesn't. My point was that it exists in a service that I opt into and therefor have no room for complaint for having to go through it. Which is ofcourse seperate to the fact that it's a tax dollar waste that creates problems perpetually. i don't know about where you are, but you are not buying a house without proof of ins here, you are not driving off the car lot without proof of ins. getting a mortage, if you don't have enough down you have PMI.secondly gideon, why do you insist on repping me down numerous times in this thread?. you will notice, we've had pages of varying discussion in the political area without reckless repping down. i don't care about the system, but repping somebody down for their convictions is poor form IMO. You don't need insurance to buy a house. You need insurance to get a mortgage. A service which you opt into. I don't have homeowners insurance but I paid cash in full. Driving a car off the lot means participating in the public road system which is a choice. Buying the car doesn't require insurance unless you're financing. Which is another service you opt into. I only rep down comments which are stupid. It has nothing to do with who makes it. Only with the intelligence of the comment itself. You choose to opt into volvospeed so you choose to opt into the rating system and its flaws. See the parrallels? Again, it's not about your conviction or reasoning. So long as your statement is intelligent, offers facts, and isn't misleading ... I don't rep down. Divert and I will (as is my option). He lives in the desert in Arizona and if I've followed his living off the grid thread thoroughly, I don't think he has a mortgage. Since the cars are used, it's only a question of whether the State requires proof of insurance to register the car - which I'm certain they do. No mortgage. The state requires insurance to register if you are registering any type of vehicle for on road use (again, a service you opt into). The S60 is currently not registered as a road going vehicle because I'm not driving it on the road during the build (I have 3 other cars after all). This saves money on registration and insurance as I'm not opting into the services which require insurance. i'm not a big forcing somebody into something guy. Unless it's gun registration, bans, ammo purchase limits, etc ... You wonder why I sometimes rep statements like this down? Edited January 10, 2013 by Gideon35T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 See I disagree with you completely on that point. Specifically because I am consumer of air travel I have a vested interest in the security theater's impact on my ability to get from point A to point B. Why do you think they offer the Trusted Traveler program and special lanes for the true road warriors who fly daily/weekly? Because they KNOW it's an inconvenience and if they pissed off the frequent flyers then the industry would fall apart. If I don't complain, the service doesn't improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon35T Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Oh I agree there don't get me wrong. I flew frequently when I was on mobile training teams. It's the GENERAL fact that when you opt into a service fully aware of the extras (good and bad) that you have no room to complain IN THAT REGARD. Obviously, there are innumerous reasons to complain that are not attached to my point. It's purely an example anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 sorry you feel that way. i chose to filter your stupid decisions as quirky, eccentric, being your own person. not a nut ball who is anti social and a miscreant. You don't need insurance to buy a house. You need insurance to get a mortgage. A service which you opt into. I don't have homeowners insurance but I paid cash in full. Driving a car off the lot means participating in the public road system which is a choice. Buying the car doesn't require insurance unless you're financing. Which is another service you opt into. I only rep down comments which are stupid. It has nothing to do with who makes it. Only with the intelligence of the comment itself. You choose to opt into volvospeed so you choose to opt into the rating system and its flaws. See the parrallels? Again, it's not about your conviction or reasoning. So long as your statement is intelligent, offers facts, and isn't misleading ... I don't rep down. Divert and I will (as is my option). No mortgage. The state requires insurance to register if you are registering any type of vehicle for on road use (again, a service you opt into). The S60 is currently not registered as a road going vehicle because I'm not driving it on the road during the build (I have 3 other cars after all). This saves money on registration and insurance as I'm not opting into the services which require insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 I just noticed your updated signature Mike. Hilarious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted January 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 I have purchased new cars and new houses with no ins, and done so in several states. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 were the cars to be licensed for road driving? you've bought BMW to race. hahaha. the ad bumper on this page is for concealed carry magazine. Unless it's gun registration, bans, ammo purchase limits, etc ... You wonder why I sometimes rep statements like this down? i'm not stopping you from getting anything. you can still buy a gun today, you can still buy ammo today. is everything in your life wide open full throttle? no controls,no limits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon35T Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 sorry you feel that way. i chose to filter your stupid decisions as quirky, eccentric, being your own person. not a nut ball who is anti social and a miscreant. As is your right. I'm not saying that you are generally stupid or anything like that. It's simpyl a case by case basis of an individuals statement. It really has nothing to do with you regardless of what we agree or differ on in any regards. Not that I'm trying to hide the fact that I'm an a-hole who is antisocial and paranoid, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
550 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 I'm buying another gun today, Thanks Mike!!!! :-) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon35T Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 is everything in your life wide open full throttle? no controls,no limits? You're the one who called speed limits bad, haha. Limitations are fine until they infringe upon constiutional freedoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 I'm buying another gun today, Thanks Mike!!!! :-) i'd stock pile if i were you. looks like barry might be bringing the hammer down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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