Commander Riker Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Well. It sure seems like you're afraid of guns. I mean... which I would understand when your odds of dying by firearm are highest in the US.......... oh wait... facts: :-/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate PS To that point, I would like to suggest you might be less afraid of dying if you took some kind of measure to learn how to protect yourself rather then relying on protection from someone else. Speaking from personal experience, I believe that my lack of fear is directly linked to my ability to defend myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Well. It sure seems like you're afraid of guns. I mean... which I would understand when your odds of dying by firearm are highest in the US.......... oh wait... facts: :-/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate PS To that point, I would like to suggest you might be less afraid of dying if you took some kind of measure to learn how to protect yourself rather then relying on protection from someone else. Speaking from personal experience, I believe that my lack of fear is directly linked to my ability to defend myself.Total deaths is 11th of 75... and most of the countries above it are shitholes. Many first world countries are dramatically lower on that list. You go on to suggest that you feel safer because you can have a gun. Yet your shitty statistics indicate we are on the higher end of per capita murders of the 75 in that list. Except we also have some of the highest rates of gun ownership. How's that work?Your post is almost entirely worthless, and this post and your previous one are getting pretty personal and patronizing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Riker Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Total deaths is 11th of 75... and most of the countries above it are shitholes. Many first world countries are dramatically lower on that list. You go on to suggest that you feel safer because you can have a gun. Yet your shitty statistics indicate we are on the higher end of per capita murders of the 75 in that list. Except we also have some of the highest rates of gun ownership. How's that work? Your post is almost entirely worthless, and this post and your previous one are getting pretty personal and patronizing. Probably was the jack and coke! I did not suggest I feel safer because I can have a gun. I stated that I feel more safe because I decided to take on the responsibility of defending myself, rather then relying on someone else. Please note that while I own a firearm, that is only part of the training I've put upon myself to make me responsible for defending myself. Personal? Perhaps because I addressed someone specifically, but I do not have a negative opinion of this person, nor am I being abusive to them IMO. I wanted to see what made someone afraid of guns. So far I hear(read) nothing but ..."but there should be less of a chance that I might die." I do not understand this mindset, and after seeing pages of this, I wanted to see where that came from or try to understand. I want to understand what it's like to be afraid of an object that is controlled by a person... and blame the object, rather then the person. If you would prefer I stop posting in this pointless argument, just ask and I will do that for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Riker Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Here's a good video by VICE : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNZO30lPGm4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhiteguy1 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Total deaths is 11th of 75... and most of the countries above it are shitholes. Many first world countries are dramatically lower on that list. You go on to suggest that you feel safer because you can have a gun. Yet your shitty statistics indicate we are on the higher end of per capita murders of the 75 in that list. Except we also have some of the highest rates of gun ownership. How's that work? Your post is almost entirely worthless, and this post and your previous one are getting pretty personal and patronizing. I agree that his post was a little worthless, but the "most first world countries have less gun violence" than america is a little bit horseshit. What most people don't realize is that we are a generally violent country, and that's the way it is. We got our independence by fighting our way out. We have started more wars than other countries (50s-till today). We are just a generally violent country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Riker Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 If you'll please note the sarcasm involved in a many posts throughout this thread, especially towards the end of it (last couple of pages). It seems that may have been lost in some text. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 I did not suggest I feel safer because I can have a gun. I stated that I feel more safe because I decided to take on the responsibility of defending myself, rather then relying on someone else. Please note that while I own a firearm, that is only part of the training I've put upon myself to make me responsible for defending myself. Personal? Perhaps because I addressed someone specifically, but I do not have a negative opinion of this person, nor am I being abusive to them IMO.Maybe the sarcasm was lost on me. Just didn't what is already at 45 page circular argument get any worse. Seemed like you were digging at him, without really making any points.but the "most first world countries have less gun violence" than america is a little bit horseshit. What most people don't realize is that we are a generally violent country, and that's the way it is. We got our independence by fighting our way out. We have started more wars than other countries (50s-till today). We are just a generally violent country.WTF? This has so many angles to it... And seems to boil down to "because that's the way we've always done it".Are you saying you're fine with being a violent country then? Because I think many of the gun-change advocates agree we're a violent country and would like to see that changed, or controlled by removing the devices used to kill. And wouldn't you agree that fighting against an oppressive government is a little different than shooting people in the streets over an argument, or drugs, etc? I just don't see how the number of wars we have started really impacts much within our own culture unless you're trying to say that kids grow up with our government's military practices as a role model?Many of the countries you're referring to have extremely violent histories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Riker Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Maybe the sarcasm was lost on me. Just didn't what is already at 45 page circular argument get any worse. Seemed like you were digging at him, without really making any points. Look to my posts where I exclaimed that guns are "scary lookin'." It was laden with extreme sarcasm... as I didn't really have much else to convey. Early on in this thread, I exclaimed that I believed our problems were with gun control, but with the society (including mental health) and general behavior of this nation. Our government becoming tyrannical is either a result of or in complication to a problem with it's people. Of those two cases, it doesn't matter because it's pretty terribly timed. However, the "gun-change advocates", or whatever just continue with the same baseless complaint. "I should have a right to not fear dying in a mass shooting, so ban things because scary." This debate is likely circular without end. Was I digging a bit at Mike specifically? Yes. I apologize for being patronizing, however, I honestly was attempting to make a point that the fear of items doesn't resolve the terrible behavior of people. You can outlaw guns all you want, but it does nothing to address the deeper problems which may be far beyond correctable at this point IMO. Just saying "I have a hear of dying because guns aren't illegal" is a serious fucking cop out to me. People kill people with cars all the time... and your odds of that happening to you are intensely higher. So do we ban cars?? Or maybe we make it illegal to drink and drive. Etc. Don't get me wrong... I'm all for heavier penalties for humans acting like dickheads. People need to treat one another better. I'm not claiming to be perfect, as will admit having a problematic lack of empathy sometimes. EDIT: Now I'm going to have some Gentlemen's jack and coke... and promise to refrain from posting in here. <3 lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 still to fresh, but i'm sure gina didn't feel like dying sat. this is 2.75 miles from my house. i pass this bar/rest. daily. http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/02/24/murrysville-bar-shooting-deemed-murder-suicide/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caanglin Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Meanwhile in GA. http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/21320449/church-gives-away-gun-at-service-sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 i need to send that to my buddy. he will love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhiteguy1 Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Maybe the sarcasm was lost on me. Just didn't what is already at 45 page circular argument get any worse. Seemed like you were digging at him, without really making any points.WTF? This has so many angles to it... And seems to boil down to "because that's the way we've always done it". Are you saying you're fine with being a violent country then? Because I think many of the gun-change advocates agree we're a violent country and would like to see that changed, or controlled by removing the devices used to kill. And wouldn't you agree that fighting against an oppressive government is a little different than shooting people in the streets over an argument, or drugs, etc? I just don't see how the number of wars we have started really impacts much within our own culture unless you're trying to say that kids grow up with our government's military practices as a role model? Many of the countries you're referring to have extremely violent histories. I'm saying it is the way it is. I am a fan of universal healthcare, and I would love it if we adopted that. But there is no realistic way that the country is going to allow that much change to go from the system we have now to the universal healthcare system. The same applies to guns. All the reforms people are calling for are steps 5 and 6 when we as a country are still at step 0 or 1. I do agree that fighting against an oppressive government is different than shooting someone in the street, but if we go in somewhere where we really have no business being (Vietnam, Afghanistan (prior to 9/11)), what does that say to the idiots who are shooting people in the street? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 I'm saying it is the way it is. I am a fan of universal healthcare, and I would love it if we adopted that. But there is no realistic way that the country is going to allow that much change to go from the system we have now to the universal healthcare system. The same applies to guns. All the reforms people are calling for are steps 5 and 6 when we as a country are still at step 0 or 1. I do agree that fighting against an oppressive government is different than shooting someone in the street, but if we go in somewhere where we really have no business being (Vietnam, Afghanistan (prior to 9/11)), what does that say to the idiots who are shooting people in the street?I'm not convinced that our country's military practices have much effect on the population's acts against each other. But that's opinion based on zero evidence.As for drastic change, that much I agree with. Take notes Mike, you have to take away our freedoms progressively and subtlety :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhiteguy1 Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 But that's opinion based on zero evidence. yes. yes it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caanglin Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Ball point pen > gun. Oh Jessie Uliberri you so cray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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