caanglin Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Oh, whew... I was worried this thread was dead. As long as Chiraq stands we will have this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/i-hurt-my-dad-the-tragic-moment-a-2-year-old-127173047597.html when are people going to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/i-hurt-my-dad-the-tragic-moment-a-2-year-old-127173047597.html when are people going to learn.Right, keeping the gun separate from the ammo, both locked separately, in hard to reach high places seems like the smart thing to do when a 2 year old is in the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 it does seem smart to keep the gun separate from the ammo, both locked separately, in a hard to reach place.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caanglin Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) Right, keeping the gun separate from the ammo, both locked separately, in hard to reach high places seems like the smart thing to do when a 2 year old is in the house. Reminds me of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OZIOE6aMBkStored gun = uselessSeparate gun and magazine = two paperweights. Edited August 21, 2015 by fivex84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 that was funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Reminds me of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OZIOE6aMBkStored gun = uselessSeparate gun and magazine = two paperweights. Sure, but choosing to keep a loaded weapon accessible in a way that you can defend yourself also means the kid may eventually get their hand on it. A risk many I'm sure are willing to take. And in that case, I fail to see the outcry Mike wants. Took a calculated risk - got shot. End of debate. Jefferies hit the nail on the head for so many gun owners though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 So that whole theory that black shooters are thugs and white shooters are mentally unstable when reported...I had to see a picture of Vester Lee Flanagan to know that he was a black man because all the reporting discussed was this upset man who lashed out in revenge at people who he felt got him fired from his job.And he claims his motivation was the coverage of the young white supremacist who attacked Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church. Strange bedfellows.Is media changing as a result of the conversation about how they portray black vs white or is this different because the crime was committed against a couple of their own?How does social media change how these killers approach their crimes? Will we see escalations in lunacy just to one up the last guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Riker Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) This is one of the most intense video's I've ever seen. Simply because of the extreme premeditation this guy had... it's scary.Doesn't matter whether it was a gun or a bomb... this guy was using all of his available intellect to hurt people as much as possible. WDBJ Live Shooter Filmed Himself as He fired When will we learn that guns aren't the problem... mental health is. Edited August 27, 2015 by Commander Riker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Agreed, but it's to easy to get the guns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honeyman Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 I don't have enough profanity for that motherfucker and others like him. I do believe that he would have used whatever he could get his hands on to make that event happen as well. Guns are tools and are only animated when used by the person holding it. That said, even a pro-gun guy like me thinks we need to control them in such a way that diminshes these possibilities. But therein lies the crux... how do you go about doing that in this fucked up political climate? Also don't think concealed carry would have saved anyone, but it would have been satisfying if he had gotten his due with the same malice.To Alain... now establishing a social media pattern, I fear the nut jobs will be coming out of the woodwork. (Most regrettably) Somewhere along the way we've lost our moral compass... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 That said, even a pro-gun guy like me thinks we need to control them in such a way that diminshes these possibilities. But therein lies the crux... how do you go about doing that in this fucked up political climate?Ignoring the political aspect, what would you propose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honeyman Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Seems to me we've displayed a need for controls, although I really don't know how we can articulately set up a structure such that whackjobs and predator types can't get guns and reasonable people can. It's a complex filter with lots of moving parts. I cringe to think how many departments and corporations would be involved to make a well-coordinated effort. (Plus that, bad communication, political maneuvering, nobody agrees) Accountability from manufacture to gun owner, proficiency/responsibility programs, background checks, and some kind of "clean bill of mental health" certificates prior to purchase wouldn't be bad. I think most responsible gun owners would jump through the hoops if it provided for a safer environment, but there's a lot of fear out there. People don't want you messing with their guns as the violent use and access to them in general perpetuates the mechanism. Stinkin' conumdrum. The scary thing to think of is what will those assholes use when they can't get their hands on a firearm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caanglin Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) You can't control it. What is "control" going to do when everyone already has guns? There are as many guns as people in this country.I just don't know why anti gun people just don't come out and say what they really want... confiscation. As for what they would use. Remember that guy who attacked those elementary school kids in China with a cleaver or knife? Edited August 27, 2015 by fivex84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 You can't control it. What is "control" going to do when everyone already has guns? There are as many guns as people in this country.I just don't know why anti gun people just don't come out and say what they really want... confiscation. What are you going to do when everyone already has guns? You can make plans now that take a person's lifetime to take effect. Grandfathered ownership, buy-backs or other incentives, etc. And I'm not sure your use of "confiscation" is the same as the way many people use it. Hell Honeyman isn't even "anti-gun".Honeyman kind of hit on the same problems I have with the idea of control. I'm FOR better control over guns in the hands of crazy people, but I don't think it can be done. I'm also for a world without guns, but since it's a fairy tale, I doubt I'd accept any plan to accomplish it. When talking about a clean bill of mental health, it sounds good in theory. But in practice, gun enthusiasts could become more fearful of seeking psychiatric help for fear of spoiling their right to ownership. Or lists of XYZ-endored doctors who are creative or lenient in diagnosis. And if you premeditate a horrible event, surely you can pretend to be normal for a brief, standard practice psych eval? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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