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4 hours ago, Burn-E said:

Define "brute force."

More air strikes?  Boots on the ground?  Whose forces?  And who leads?

 

Tactical air strikes would be optimal, less lives lost (on our side) and we can use bases in EU and in the middle east to launch from. Have a B-1 do a few carpet combing runs and that'll send the message loud and clear 

 

I can see the use of military force on the ground but I really think that would be a fucking stupid decision (Vietnam, Iraq.....). If we do decide to declare war on the Islamic State it needs to be run by our military and carried out by our military. Looking at Iraq, we were incredibly efficient for the first stages and then everything fell apart. This happened due to decreased level of control by military commanders which made for some really really really stupid decisions to be made. War is a shitty thing, but if we are going to war with the Islamic State it has to be absolute commitment with a goal of absolute victory.

 

IMO those leading should be the countries directly involved with the crisis, unless they feel that other nations would be more effective. 

 

Now you've got me thinking about how Russia and the US are running a proxy war in Syria, what an absolute shit show

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23 minutes ago, Kevin. said:

 

Now you've got me thinking about how Russia and the US are running a proxy war in Syria, what an absolute shit show

Ding, ding, ding! Welcome to the present Kevin.  Only it's not a Cold War endeavor.  It's a question of who the various parties want to wind up running things in an important Middle Eastern country. It's the same thing that's going on in Ukraine.

And I know you're former Air Force but a word of advice, when we recognize that, to quote Clausewitz, "war is not merely an act of policy but a true political instrument, a continuation of political intercourse carried on with other means," then the truth is that tactical air strikes don't do shit when it comes to changing the realities on the ground unless you have boots on the ground. Or are willing to just completely pulverize an entire landscape with hundreds of thousands of civilian lives lost in collateral damage.

You have to ask, what is the desired outcome? Who is going to step in and take over after Assad? It would probably blow your mind to consider that Assad is actually helping ISIS gain greater ground in parts of Syria and in Iraq.  He's doing this because he believes that by wiping out all alternative potential on the ground claims to power he then becomes the less extreme of the two options.  He wants to force the US and Russia to agree that eliminating ISIS and leaving him in power is the best option.  The problem is, he's seriously weakening his power structure and military in the process.  So unless we plan on funding Syria like we do Israel that outcome would only create a bigger refugee crisis and set the stage for the next Syrian civil war.

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Carpet bombing. Now that is a statement to disregard any civilians in the ground. Only good if you plan to wipe out the whole country since all you doing is fuel the hatred for the enemy toward United States. 

Not saying U. S have a good image in Middle East but that definitely doesn't help the cause regardless who you dealing with. 

Like alan stated above, war is a political instrument not a policy. U.S could have won the Vietnam war if they didn't not started pulling out of V.N.  If you watch the history channel mini series on the Vietnam war in HD, they outline the whole history on what/how/why u.s was involved in the war and how close they could wipe out the VC during their last successful mission on the Ho Chi Minh trail. 

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13 hours ago, Burn-E said:

 

I don't disagree that Carson probably can't pull together a cogent response to that threat but if you guys are so smart, what is an appropriate answer to that question? 

I don't need to answer the question because I am not running for president.

This is a job interview and if I can't get a straight answer on how a candidate is going to perform over the next 4 years, I don't want that person in the job.

As for Carson, I think he has been huffing nitrous oxide for the past 20 years and has fried his brain.

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I'm gonna have to take a second look at Trump now that Palin has endorsed him...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

* I couldn't even TYPE that with a straight face

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Now it's getting interesting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/michael-bloomberg-considers-a-presidential-run/2016/01/23/1a0f4176-c1ee-11e5-bcda-62a36b394160_story.html

I would vote for Bloomberg over all of these other knuckleheads.

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