mattsk8 Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Burn-E said: You and Gary have a funny way of throwing around insults at people you disagree with or who present evidence that disagrees with your personal worldviews. I'm not a climate change activist but I see reason in doing what Reagan did, examining the cost benefit analysis of impact for action and inaction. Just don't claim to say you know what it means to be a true Conservative if you're going to completely ignore history. Please quote where I insulted you; was it too much sarcasm? What would be a proper response? And I agree with what Reagan did as well, but I wouldn't hurry up and lump him in with the liberal views on "climate change" these days. Ignore history ; I'm not ignoring anything, I'm just not exaggerating it to fit into my agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 41 minutes ago, mattsk8 said: Unfortunately for us lowly, uneducated conservatives, you libs have put such a broad definition on the term "climate change" that anyone that isn't willing to throw their fast food trash out the window of their car must be 100% on board with all the lunatic theories you come up with for how you'll control the climate and keep the world from ending. The whole tenor of your last couple of responses was insulting. Read it. I've made no such claims and you're casting labels left and right. To a die hard conservative calling me a "lib" is the ultimate insult. You went on the attack because I refused to offer a detailed answer to a question when you have avoided almost every single one I've asked. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin. Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 wait, are we denying that climate change isn't real in here? *steps really far back from my computer* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 21 minutes ago, Kevin. said: wait, are we denying that climate change isn't real in here? *steps really far back from my computer* Look up the stance of the various Republican candidates Kevin. Kasich is the only one who acknowledges there is a problem. The rest follow the Fox News screed. 1 hour ago, mattsk8 said: And technically, I think Trump would be considered a moderate conservative as well. And also, since when is Reagan the absolute example for all republicans? I want to come back to this point. Trump is a moderate conservative? How do you reckon that? He's more like bipolar. Extreme Right on immigration and trade protectionism and extreme Left on most social issues. He's all over the place. The best characterization of Trump's ideology, and it has to be good for me to be quoting Pat Buchanan, was this: “I don’t think he has an ideology,” Pat Buchanan told the Washington Post. “He very much is responding to the realities that he has encountered and his natural reactions to them. It’s not some intellectual construct.” And that's from a guy who actually is supporting Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikS Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Gary, have you ever spent considerable time outside of the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theForgottenone Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, ErikS said: Gary, have you ever spent considerable time outside of the US? I'm gonna go on a hunch and say no. He does like to jump on the trump train/plane wherever that idiot goes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsk8 Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 44 minutes ago, Burn-E said: The whole tenor of your last couple of responses was insulting. Read it. I've made no such claims and you're casting labels left and right. To a die hard conservative calling me a "lib" is the ultimate insult. You went on the attack because I refused to offer a detailed answer to a question when you have avoided almost every single one I've asked. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ This is the kettle calling the pot black, coming from you. You don't like my "tenor"? I answered your questions with no more or less candor than you've used, sorry if me being straight forward is unsettling to you, but I would hardly call it insulting. And as far as not answering your questions, I did, and I did so with as much or more acknowledgement as you answered mine with. And casting labels left and right? Again... kettle... pot. What constitutes a diehard conservative? You stated you'd be voting for Hillary if her and Trump are the options. 43 minutes ago, Kevin. said: wait, are we denying that climate change isn't real in here? *steps really far back from my computer* Kevin, no one is debating whether or not "climate change" is real, so feel free to move back to your computer. What I question are the causes of "climate change", and the means to the end (if such a thing exists). And the truly hilarious thing is that it's been aptly titled "climate change"... So wait a minute... you guys are saying the climate changes?!! Who went to school to figure that out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin. Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 it's scientifically proven that climate change is being hurried along at an alarming rate due to human activity volcanoes emit somewhere around 150 million tonnes of CO2 a year (middle of the road estimate that can vary) vs humans that emitted 29 billion tonnes of CO2 in 2007. Who even knows what that number is now..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsk8 Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Burn-E said: I want to come back to this point. Trump is a moderate conservative? How do you reckon that? He's more like bipolar. Extreme Right on immigration and trade protectionism and extreme Left on most social issues. He's all over the place. The best characterization of Trump's ideology, and it has to be good for me to be quoting Pat Buchanan, was this: “I don’t think he has an ideology,” Pat Buchanan told the Washington Post. “He very much is responding to the realities that he has encountered and his natural reactions to them. It’s not some intellectual construct.” And that's from a guy who actually is supporting Trump. I honestly don't understand what point you're trying to make here. My whole point in saying that "if anything, Trump is a mild conservative" falls right in alignment with what you just posted. He certainly isn't a conservative, look up his views on abortion (up until he started running for the Rep party anyhow). I know he's all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikS Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 12 minutes ago, mattsk8 said: I know he's all over the place. That is the problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, ErikS said: That is the problem. Precisely. He's not conservative. He's not liberal. He's Trump. He defies definition by the traditional political continuum because he is completely irrational. His position doesn't change with the polls. His position changes depending on what he ate that morning and whether or not it gave him indigestion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsk8 Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ErikS said: That is the problem. I agree, but I think he's less of a train wreck than Hillary. 27 minutes ago, Kevin. said: it's scientifically proven that climate change is being hurried along at an alarming rate due to human activity This claim of yours is grossly exaggerated, and way too lengthy a discussion for me to have here. Neither of us knows the answer, and I have yet to discuss this subject with anyone that does. Let me beat you thru the argument and just send you here, good points on both ends... "The main part of the problem lies in the two groups using different definitions of how global warming appears in the climate. This is one of the reasons that those advocating that global warming is real now use the term “climate change,” since it is more reflective of the real issue. The other problem lies in proof, and in studies that try to prove whether or not global warming is real. Contrary to public belief, the results of all scientific studies aren’t conclusive. To be considered proof of a hypothesis, the studies have to be able to be replicated by others and produce the same results. With the global warming studies, analysis of decades of weather data is often used. The first problem is that weather data from 100 years ago wasn’t kept to modern standards of evidence. The second problem is that analysis is interpretation; you can really put any spin on it. This is why some of the arguments for and against whether global warming is real can use the same data and come to different conclusions." Edited March 28, 2016 by mattsk8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikS Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Being able to catalogue and predict extreme changes in global climate in less than four recorded generations of climate data research with exponential human population growth is real, makes not difference what your politics are. American expansion should be enough to let you know you may not be monkeyed, your children probably won't be monkeyed, your grandchildren are likely to be monkeyed, and your great grand children will be monkeyed unless we care enough about the human race beyond our own progeny. We should be building tidal sea dams now, not walls along the Mexico border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 32 minutes ago, mattsk8 said: I agree, but I think he's less of a train wreck than Hillary. We've gone down this path already. I do not understand this mentality at all. Trump is a huge unknown and an erratic mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow95 Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 18 hours ago, Burn-E said: And thank you Gary for continuing to prove my point. It's like shooting fish in a barrel with you. Who needs a fishing line or even bait when the fish jumps right into the boat when you call its name. I know cuz you are winning. You already told us you are a winner and we have to believe you because you are winning. Win win win little guy. :) 18 hours ago, Burn-E said: You and Gary have a funny way of throwing around insults at people you disagree with or who present evidence that disagrees with your personal worldviews. That made my day. lol Do you have a mirror in your house? Anything anyone says that you (google) doesn't agree with is wrong. Little man syndrome is strong with this guy. 17 hours ago, Kevin. said: wait, are we denying that climate change isn't real in here? *steps really far back from my computer* What are you doing to help change that Kevin? Did they prove that smoking pot and drinking and driving actually repair the ozone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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