Yellow95 Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 13 minutes ago, ErikS said: Is that a question or a statement? How is my moral compass somehow skewed for not believing in God? Millions (some estimates are in the hundreds of millions) have died "in the name of God." I can't say the same number have died "not in the name of God." When I travel to Saudi Arabia, I have to lie on my visa application or I could actually be punished by death for not saying there is a God. Makes you feel war and fuzzy doesn't it? Cmon Erik. Questions end in question marks. ;) So in your mind. Religion kills more people than any other cause of death in the world? Wow, you are really drinking that Atheist koolaid now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikS Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 I did not say that - its words typed down clear to see Gary;), it was an example to make a point. Religion is used for evil as much as it is used for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin. Posted May 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Yellow95 said: Cmon Erik. Questions end in question marks. ;) So in your mind. Religion kills more people than any other cause of death in the world? Wow, you are really drinking that Atheist koolaid now. the point he made was that the Conquests were all made in the name of the LORD and they MASSACRED PEOPLE BY THE THOUSAND. Do you not see an issue with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikS Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Or the hundred thousand plus in the Israeli/Palestine conflict over a tiny piece of holy land. God sure loves that real estate. Wow, you are really drinking that Atheist koolaid now. And that phrase comes from Jim Jones, the ultimate Christian who had all his disciples kill themselves in the name of God. Ironic you use it that way, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow95 Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 58 minutes ago, ErikS said: I did not say that - its words typed down clear to see Gary;), it was an example to make a point. Religion is used for evil as much as it is used for good. Just having fun with you Erik. 57 minutes ago, Kevin. said: the point he made was that the Conquests were all made in the name of the LORD and they MASSACRED PEOPLE BY THE THOUSAND. Do you not see an issue with this? And you can completely substantiate for fact that Atheists have never caused a death? You are warping fact and fiction to justify what you believe in just as you think the opposite side is doing. Its your choice to believe that there is no higher power affecting our lives. The fact is you cant truly know which group is correct and which group is led by ignorance. That is where I am going. I don't attend church but I CHOOSE to believe just as you choose not to. Just don't justify your non belief by acting like atrocities played any part in it. Fact is you choose not to believe because it works for you. Not because you spend sleepless nights weeping for the victims of religious crimes. 54 minutes ago, ErikS said: Or the hundred thousand plus in the Israeli/Palestine conflict over a tiny piece of holy land. God sure loves that real estate. And that phrase comes from Jim Jones, the ultimate Christian who had all his disciples kill themselves in the name of God. Ironic you use it that way, huh? So in your mind Jim Jones represents ALL religion? That is very small minded from such a well rounded dude like yourself. Also can you please substantiate where you read JJ was the "Ultimate Christian" or is that just what you and your atheist friends believe. Woody Allan is the ultimate atheist and he had sex with his daughter. Should we even talk about that atheist named Hitler. I think he might have caused a death or 2....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin. Posted May 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 17 minutes ago, Yellow95 said: So in your mind Jim Jones represents ALL religion? That is very small minded from such a well rounded dude like yourself. Also can you please substantiate where you read JJ was the "Ultimate Christian" or is that just what you and your atheist friends believe. Woody Allan is the ultimate atheist and he had sex with his daughter. Should we even talk about that atheist named Hitler. I think he might have caused a death or 2....... while Hitler did not believe in religion as a whole, he did employ religious reasons for some of the things he did. Not defending him, but he did use religion to strong arm a few things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsk8 Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 16 minutes ago, Kevin. said: .... 12 minutes ago, ErikS said: .... Some real historians here . So... it's surprising to you guys that people will grab hold of whatever is available to them and use it to manipulate other people? Seeing how you both seem to be such experts on the history of the crusades, you would think you guys would know the crusades were about way more than killing people because they weren't adhering to the correct doctrine. Was Hitler an agnostic, an atheist or a God fearing man? That's going to be tough for you to answer (although I'm positive he wasn't a "God fearing man"), because he made claims to all of them, depending on who he was talking to. And why do you guys suppose that is?? I can see what you're trying to do here, so let me drive a few nails into that coffin... Why atheism is evil and shouldn't be allowed... Napoleon... Kim Jong... Dahmer... Mussolini... Mao Zedong... Pol Pot... Stalin... All representatives of your atheist "religion". I can give more examples too if you'd like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin. Posted May 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 17 minutes ago, mattsk8 said: Some real historians here . So... it's surprising to you guys that people will grab hold of whatever is available to them and use it to manipulate other people? Seeing how you both seem to be such experts on the history of the crusades, you would think you guys would know the crusades were about way more than killing people because they weren't adhering to the correct doctrine. Was Hitler an agnostic, an atheist or a God fearing man? That's going to be tough for you to answer (although I'm positive he wasn't a "God fearing man"), because he made claims to all of them, depending on who he was talking to. And why do you guys suppose that is?? I can see what you're trying to do here, so let me drive a few nails into that coffin... Why atheism is evil and shouldn't be allowed... Napoleon... Kim Jong... Dahmer... Mussolini... Mao Zedong... Pol Pot... Stalin... All representatives of your atheist "religion". I can give more examples too if you'd like. I can feel the boots quiver from here, other religions than yours aren't scary and wrong they are just different. You are also making blanket statements again towards Atheists. I never claimed to be an expert on the crusades but I do know as a fact that a massive amount of people died in the name of God which is pretty fucked. Same goes for those killed by authoritarian and totalitarian states/countries/regimes, it's fucked up what happened. As an Atheist I don't think "all people of religion must die", these people were fucked up in the head and TORTURED people. Do I look like I would torture people to death? And again, don't be so quick to take shots when Christianity was used to torque, maim, and destroy people for centuries I think we can come to the conclusion that religion has been used and is still used to this day to further causes not originally intended for the religion. We can also agree that there are some very messed up people, both religious and otherwise that have made bad choices in their lives. I have made my choice HOWEVER if there was evidence put in front of me that proved that God was real I would accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsk8 Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 6 minutes ago, Kevin. said: I can feel the boots quiver from here, other religions than yours aren't scary and wrong they are just different. You are also making blanket statements again towards Atheists. I never claimed to be an expert on the crusades but I do know as a fact that a massive amount of people died in the name of God which is pretty fucked. Same goes for those killed by authoritarian and totalitarian states/countries/regimes, it's fucked up what happened. As an Atheist I don't think "all people of religion must die", these people were fucked up in the head and TORTURED people. Do I look like I would torture people to death? And again, don't be so quick to take shots when Christianity was used to torque, maim, and destroy people for centuries I think we can come to the conclusion that religion has been used and is still used to this day to further causes not originally intended for the religion. We can also agree that there are some very messed up people, both religious and otherwise that have made bad choices in their lives. I have made my choice HOWEVER if there was evidence put in front of me that proved that God was real I would accept it. Right, so quit trying to use those examples as reasons for why Christianity (or other religions) are so evil; that was my point. Everything you brought up earlier is irrelevant- as I pointed out, that pendulum swings both ways. Jesus' biggest adversary was the religious right of that day, and people are evil and will use whatever is available to them to try to get others to do what they want them to do. And unfortunately it often works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin. Posted May 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 you do have to step back and look at the book you're reading: people were turned into pillars of salt? How is that possible? the Bible is very anti-woman at it's core Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsk8 Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Kevin. said: you do have to step back and look at the book you're reading: people were turned into pillars of salt? How is that possible? the Bible is very anti-woman at it's core Once again... debating with you is a foolish endeavor on my part because it's such a waist of time. You have no clue what you're talking about, and you just grab hold of things you read on FB. Not only that, but as soon as someone points to the flaws in your pathetic arguments, you give no answer for anything you said, and you just reel around with another dumb example of things you don't understand. It's easy to look back at some of the things in the Bible and make idiotic claims like "the Bible is anti-woman"... but if you knew anything about history, you'd know that when the Bible told men to "love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her" (Eph 5:25), this was liberating and revolutionary for women. How is that anti-woman? I suppose now you'll grab some OT verses? Don't waist your time Kevin, because I've been down this road before and you're going to loose, and the reason you'll loose is because while you claim to have "been raised in the church", you obviously didn't learn anything. As far as how it's possible for people to be turned into pillars of salt... I'm not sure because I wasn't there. But since I believe "God created the heavens and the earth", I don't really doubt His abilities. Edited May 18, 2016 by mattsk8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Is Lot's wife turning into a pillar of salt the most extreme example you can find Kevin? What about the waves of the Red Sea pushed aside to allow a whole civilization to cross on dry land? Or fire and brimstone that consumed the Priests of Baal in their competition with Elijah? If you study the Bible, really study to understand the language (Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic) and figurative speech that is used and messages that are being presented you begin to question claims that are made after a simple reading of the text. Proof texting is a problematic practice and it is used extensively by pastors and preachers who riff on a verse that they don't truly understand and create problematic conclusions as a result in those who follow them. I don't personally believe the Bible is the perfect Word of God so I have no issues with the recognition that there are many problematic passages within the books that comprise it. I believe it in so far as it is translated correctly and I am highly suspicious what many people claim is their understanding of scripture. Unless you put it into the context of the culture and time and language of the period in which these events occurred you may be drawing incorrect conclusions. Job for instance is a highly misunderstood narrative for instance. Sorry Kevin but the claiming that I'm harming my children by teaching them correct principles is projecting your own experiences and beliefs onto a very different set of circumstances. What you claim as education in school is just a set of rules that govern a particular discipline. I'm saying that life is the ultimate educational experience and it helps to have a view to governing truths under your belt if you're going to effectively navigate it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikS Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 I have a question, what bathroom could God use in North Carolina? And Jesus was a dick sometimes, really just concerned about himself. Mark 11:12-21 Luke 19:27 Matthew 10:34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin. Posted May 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 1 hour ago, ErikS said: I have a question, what bathroom could God use in North Carolina? And Jesus was a dick sometimes, really just concerned about himself. Mark 11:12-21 Luke 19:27 Matthew 10:34 also 1 Corinthians 14:34 clearly states women have no place in the church http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/14-34.htm this is fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikS Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 I should start taking my wife to church more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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