Zarqawi Is Dead! Kudos To Us Military And Allies!

[javadoc]

Yay for perpetual martyrdom and no capture/trial!

+ infinity jeremy

[davidclanton]

I think it's odd that we're celebrating the death of a man. Sad that things have come to this.

- We're celebrating how this man is now physically incapable of personally commiting any more beheadings (remember Nicholas Berg and Korean Kim, Sun-il and others?) and he'll make no more improvised explosive devices (IEDs) and vehicle borne explosive devices (VBEDs). He personally killed thousands of people with his own hands and if we didn't kill him he would have continued to do so. What is unfortunate is that off-the-charts extremists with no moral conscience like him must be killed because they are incapable of being reasoned with.

[RAzOR]

I think it's odd that we're celebrating the death of a man. Sad that things have come to this.

Not a man. Does a man blow up kids? Does a man behead people? This is what you choose to call a man? I'd call this room temperature water sack a piece of sh!t but it gives sh!t a bad name.

Edited June 11, 2006 by RAzOR

[Plan_B]

I agree ^^^^^

And after watching a beheading video I would have loved to see the miliatry behead that fucking douche.

Beheading videos FTL :(

[Fake Name]

Yay for perpetual martyrdom and no capture/trial!

Umm. Is that not what we're fighting AGAINST? Is that not the style of Hussein? And don't we call him evil?

This was a badguy, no doubt, and his death in a military operation is a fortuitous event. But the idea that we should execute without trials anyone we don't like is wrong.

fn

[EMDII]

Umm. Is that not what we're fighting AGAINST? Is that not the style of Hussein? And don't we call him evil?

This was a badguy, no doubt, and his death in a military operation is a fortuitous event. But the idea that we should execute without trials anyone we don't like is wrong.

fn

Correct. We and our military are a society of laws (althought he lawyers often get in the way). The only 2+1 he gets is if he persists in resisting or threatening other troops/innocents. Then, make certain.

[davidclanton]

Ditto, in keeping with the words of wisdom of Clint Eastwood's Dirty Harry, "...feeling lucky, go ahead punk and make my day!" in other words please resist.

[prasamin]

- We're celebrating how this man is now physically incapable of personally commiting any more beheadings (remember Nicholas Berg and Korean Kim, Sun-il and others?) and he'll make no more improvised explosive devices (IEDs) and vehicle borne explosive devices (VBEDs). He personally killed thousands of people with his own hands and if we didn't kill him he would have continued to do so. What is unfortunate is that off-the-charts extremists with no moral conscience like him must be killed because they are incapable of being reasoned with.

we keep creating problems by killing these bastards. now we've just pissed the next moron Qur-an misinterpreting kid and turned him into a terrorist.

Convenient how we seem to capture people during election times.

[davidclanton]

we keep creating problems by killing these bastards. now we've just pissed the next moron Qur-an misinterpreting kid and turned him into a terrorist.

Convenient how we seem to capture people during election times.

- Will you please remove your Bush-bashing bilnders for just a moment and listen to your own words. The War on Terrorism is much more important than petty party politics.

- You were probably one of those folks predicting we'd catch Osama Bin Ladin just before the '04 GW election too. Gimmie a freakin' break (how do you explain the '93 WTC attack during the Clinton years?). Over one million US troops have deployed to/from Afghanistan and Iraq hunting down religious extremists that for decades have been so determined to kill anyone that doesn't worship in their way that they'll take out innocent civilian women, children, whomever, in a bus, hotel, wedding hall, train, airplance, or business center, in the most haneous ways (i.e. beheadings). They pulled schoolgirls out of a bus and asked who was Shiite and who was Sunni and shot to death those who weren't like them. They've conducted suicide attacks in the US, in Europe, in Asia and even inside Arab nations such as Saudi, Jordan, Egypt, etc. Regardless of rep or dem in the White House, regardless of whether we sit back and take or whether we take it to their backyard, they have proven to be ruthless attackers that don't have a conscience and can't be reasoned with (only understand violence).

- If Iraq has to be the lightning rod to attract all the anti-American terrorists then so be it. We can give those terrorists the opportunity they so desire to die for their cause because they have proven they cannot be reasoned with. We took it and took it and took it, decade after decade after decade. My, how easily many people seem to have forgotten:

- 2001 9/11 with the image of the innocent thousands of lives lost with the WTC and the Pentagon burning at the same time on your TV screen, the brave passengers of Flight 93 that went down in that Pennsylvania field who made famous "Let's Roll".

- 2005 bombings of subway and public buses in England.

- 2004 bombing of commuter trains in Madrid, Spain.

- 2002 bombing in Bali.

- 2000 attack on the USS Cole.

- 1999 attempted bombing of LAX.

- 1998 Al-Qaeda bombings on US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

- 1996 bombing attack on Khobar Towers.

- 1993 WTC attack with a bomb packed moving van.

- 1993 quelled planning attack against NYC tunnels.

- 1993 attempt to assassinate President George Herbert Walker Bush.

- 1987 North Korean secret agent attack on the KAL Flight killing all aboard with explosives from Iraq.

- 1983 attack on the US Marine barracks in Beirut Lebanon.

- And these just scratch the surface of the atrocities committed by these terrorist groups. There are many more, and also many cases with yet unexplained circumstances of airliner explosions and crashes.

- Please take a moment to remember how you felt the morning of 9/11:

http://www.scubanaked.com/WTC.html

and listen to Johnny Cash’s take on that Ragged Old Flag:

http://lonestar.50megs.com/vietnamvet/flag.html

[prasamin]

nope, I predicted we would never catch Osama, and I stand by it. We're too stupid to catch him.

[RAzOR]

nope, I predicted we would never catch Osama, and I stand by it. We're too stupid to catch him.

That's beacause he's already dead. What?- the guy was video crazy and then nothing for the last few years. My money's on Osama = room temp.

Edited June 12, 2006 by RAzOR

[multiID4]

- Will you please remove your Bush-bashing bilnders for just a moment and listen to your own words. The War on Terrorism is much more important than petty party politics.

- You were probably one of those folks predicting we'd catch Osama Bin Ladin just before the '04 GW election too. Gimmie a freakin' break (how do you explain the '93 WTC attack during the Clinton years?). Over one million US troops have deployed to/from Afghanistan and Iraq hunting down religious extremists that for decades have been so determined to kill anyone that doesn't worship in their way that they'll take out innocent civilian women, children, whomever, in a bus, hotel, wedding hall, train, airplance, or business center, in the most haneous ways (i.e. beheadings). They pulled schoolgirls out of a bus and asked who was Shiite and who was Sunni and shot to death those who weren't like them. They've conducted suicide attacks in the US, in Europe, in Asia and even inside Arab nations such as Saudi, Jordan, Egypt, etc. Regardless of rep or dem in the White House, regardless of whether we sit back and take or whether we take it to their backyard, they have proven to be ruthless attackers that don't have a conscience and can't be reasoned with (only understand violence).

- If Iraq has to be the lightning rod to attract all the anti-American terrorists then so be it. We can give those terrorists the opportunity they so desire to die for their cause because they have proven they cannot be reasoned with. We took it and took it and took it, decade after decade after decade. My, how easily many people seem to have forgotten:

- 2001 9/11 with the image of the innocent thousands of lives lost with the WTC and the Pentagon burning at the same time on your TV screen, the brave passengers of Flight 93 that went down in that Pennsylvania field who made famous "Let's Roll".

- 2005 bombings of subway and public buses in England.

- 2004 bombing of commuter trains in Madrid, Spain.

- 2002 bombing in Bali.

- 2000 attack on the USS Cole.

- 1999 attempted bombing of LAX.

- 1998 Al-Qaeda bombings on US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

- 1996 bombing attack on Khobar Towers.

- 1993 WTC attack with a bomb packed moving van.

- 1993 quelled planning attack against NYC tunnels.

- 1993 attempt to assassinate President George Herbert Walker Bush.

- 1987 North Korean secret agent attack on the KAL Flight killing all aboard with explosives from Iraq.

- 1983 attack on the US Marine barracks in Beirut Lebanon.

- And these just scratch the surface of the atrocities committed by these terrorist groups. There are many more, and also many cases with yet unexplained circumstances of airliner explosions and crashes.

- Please take a moment to remember how you felt the morning of 9/11:

http://www.scubanaked.com/WTC.html

and listen to Johnny Cash’s take on that Ragged Old Flag:

http://lonestar.50megs.com/vietnamvet/flag.html

Holy mainstream media. So focused on the "what" and not the "why". This is what makes the sheep blind and easy to control. Feed them and they will eat it. You sir, must be full.

Good call, Pras.

[starfish]

From The Wall Street Journal Editorial Page

AT WAR

Khobar Towers

The Clinton administration left many stones unturned.

BY LOUIS J. FREEH

Sunday, June 25, 2006 12:01 a.m.

Ten years ago today, acting under direct orders from senior Iranian government leaders, the Saudi Hezbollah detonated a 25,000-pound TNT bomb that killed 19 U.S. airmen in their dormitory at Khobar Towers in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. The blast wave destroyed Building 131 and grievously wounded hundreds of additional Air Force personnel. It also killed an unknown number of Saudi civilians in a nearby park.

The 19 Americans murdered were members of the 4,404th Wing, who were risking their lives to enforce the no-fly zone over southern Iraq. This was a U.N.-mandated mission after the 1991 Gulf War to stop Saddam Hussein from killing his Shiite people. The Khobar victims, along with the courageous families and friends who mourn them this weekend in Washington, deserve our respect and honor. More importantly, they must be remembered, because American justice has still been denied.

Although a federal grand jury handed up indictments in June 2001--days before I left as FBI director and a week before some of the charges against 14 of the terrorists would have lapsed because of the statute of limitations--two of the primary leaders of the attack, Ahmed Ibrahim al-Mughassil and Abdel Hussein Mohamed al-Nasser, are living comfortably in Iran with about as much to fear from America as Osama bin Laden had prior to Sept. 11 (to wit, U.S. marshals showing up to serve warrants for their arrests).

The aftermath of the Khobar bombing is just one example of how successive U.S. governments have mishandled Iran. On June 25, 1996, President Clinton declared that "no stone would be left unturned" to find the bombers and bring them to "justice." Within hours, teams of FBI agents, and forensic and technical personnel, were en route to Khobar. The president told the Saudis and the 19 victims' families that I was responsible for the case. This assignment became very personal and solemn for me, as it meant that I was the one who dealt directly with the victims' survivors. These disciplined military families asked only one thing of me and their country: "Please find out who did this to our sons, husbands, brothers and fathers and bring them to justice."

It soon became clear that Mr. Clinton and his national security adviser, Sandy Berger, had no interest in confronting the fact that Iran had blown up the towers. This is astounding, considering that the Saudi Security Service had arrested six of the bombers after the attack. As FBI agents sifted through the remains of Building 131 in 115-degree heat, the bombers admitted they had been trained by the Iranian external security service (IRGC) in Lebanon's Beka Valley and received their passports at the Iranian Embassy in Damascus, Syria, along with $250,000 cash for the operation from IRGC Gen. Ahmad Sharifi.

We later learned that senior members of the Iranian government, including Ministry of Defense, Ministry of Intelligence and Security and the Spiritual Leader's office had selected Khobar as their target and commissioned the Saudi Hezbollah to carry out the operation. The Saudi police told us that FBI agents had to interview the bombers in custody in order to make our case. To make this happen, however, the U.S. president would need to make a personal request to Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah.

So for 30 months, I wrote and rewrote the same set of simple talking points for the president, Mr. Berger, and others to press the FBI's request to go inside a Saudi prison and interview the Khobar bombers. And for 30 months nothing happened. The Saudis reported back to us that the president and Mr. Berger would either fail to raise the matter with the crown prince or raise it without making any request. On one such occasion, our commander in chief instead hit up Prince Abdullah for a contribution to his library. Mr. Berger never once, in the course of the five-year investigation which coincided with his tenure, even asked how the investigation was going.

In their only bungled attempt to support the FBI, a letter from the president intended for Iran's President Mohammad Khatami, asking for "help" on the Khobar case, was sent to the Omanis, who had direct access to Mr. Khatami. This was done without advising either the FBI or the Saudis who were exposed in the letter as providing help to the Americans. We only found out about the letter because it was misdelivered to the spiritual leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who then publicly denounced the U.S. This was an embarrassment for the Saudis who had been fully cooperating with the FBI by providing direct evidence of Iranian involvement. Both Saudi Prince Bandar and Interior Minister Prince Nayef, who had put themselves and their government at great risk to help the FBI, were now undermined by America's president.

The Clinton administration was set on "improving" relations with what it mistakenly perceived to be a moderate Iranian president. But it also wanted to accrue the political mileage of proclaiming to the world, and to the 19 survivor families, that America was aggressively pursuing the bombers. When I would tell Mr. Berger that we could close the investigation if it compromised the president's foreign policy, the answer was always: "Leave no stone unturned."

Meanwhile, then-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and Mr. Clinton ordered the FBI to stop photographing and fingerprinting Iranian wrestlers and cultural delegations entering the U.S. because the Iranians were complaining about the identification procedure. Of course they were complaining. It made it more difficult for their intelligence agents and terrorist coordinators to infiltrate into America. I was overruled by an "angry" president and Mr. Berger who said the FBI was interfering with their rapprochement with Iran.

Finally, frustrated in my attempts to execute Mr. Clinton's "leave no stone unturned" order, I called former president George H.W. Bush. I had learned that he was about to meet Crown Prince Abdullah on another matter. After fully briefing Mr. Bush on the impasse and faxing him the talking points that I had now been working on for over two years, he personally asked the crown prince to allow FBI agents to interview the detained bombers.

After his Saturday meeting with now-King Abdullah, Mr. Bush called me to say that he made the request, and that the Saudis would be calling me. A few hours later, Prince Bandar, then the Saudi ambassador to Washington, asked me to come out to McLean, Va., on Monday to see Crown Prince Abdullah. When I met him with Wyche Fowler, our Saudi ambassador, and FBI counterterrorism chief Dale Watson, the crown prince was holding my talking points. He told me Mr. Bush had made the request for the FBI, which he granted, and told Prince Bandar to instruct Nayef to arrange for FBI agents to interview the prisoners.

Several weeks later, agents interviewed the co-conspirators. For the first time since the 1996 attack, we obtained direct evidence of Iran's complicity. What Mr. Clinton failed to do for three years was accomplished in minutes by his predecessor. This was the breakthrough we had been waiting for, and the attorney general and I immediately went to Mr. Berger with news of the Saudi prison interviews.

Upon being advised that our investigation now had proof that Iran blew up Khobar Towers, Mr. Berger's astounding response was: "Who knows about this?" His next, and wrong, comment was: "That's just hearsay." When I explained that under the Rules of Federal Evidence the detainees' comments were indeed more than "hearsay," for the first time ever he became interested--and alarmed--about the case. But this interest translated into nothing more than Washington "damage control" meetings held out of the fear that Congress, and ordinary Americans, would find out that Iran murdered our soldiers. After those meetings, neither the president, nor anyone else in the administration, was heard from again about Khobar.

Sadly, this fits into a larger pattern of U.S. governments sending the wrong message to Tehran. Almost 13 years before Iran committed its terrorist act of war against America at Khobar, it used its surrogates, the Lebanese Hezbollah, to murder 241 Marines in their Beirut barracks. The U.S. response to that 1983 outrage was to pull our military forces out of the region. Such timidity was not lost upon Tehran. As with Beirut, Tehran once again received loud and clear from the U.S. its consistent message that there would be no price to pay for its acts of war against America. As for the 19 dead warriors and their families, their commander in chief had deserted them, leaving only the FBI to carry on the fight.

The Khobar bombing case eventually led to indictments in 2001, thanks to the personal leadership of President George W. Bush and Condoleezza Rice. But justice has been a long time coming. Only so much can be done, after all, with arrest warrants and judicial process. Bin Laden and his two separate pre-9/11 arrest warrants are a case in point.

Still, many stones remain unturned. It remains to be seen whether the Khobar case and its fugitives will make it onto the list of America's demands in "talks" with the Iranians. Or will we ultimately ignore justice and buy a separate peace with our enemy?

Mr. Freeh was FBI director from 1993 through 2001.

Copyright © 2006 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008563

[starfish]

Holy mainstream media. So focused on the "what" and not the "why". This is what makes the sheep blind and easy to control. Feed them and they will eat it. You sir, must be full.

Mainstream media??? The mainstream media in the US is overwhelmingly operated by leftist socialist Democrats. It seems that most conservatives avoid the mainstream media where most of what is reported is a bunch of anti-capitalist, anti-American dribble. These Democrats aren't willing to prosecute the war on terrror but are more than willing to prosecute soldiers and print classified American military secrets and operations in their little commie newspapers to undermine us for political power. Case-in-point Congressman Murtha and Senator Durbin and the NY Times.

Edited June 26, 2006 by starfish

[Plan_B]

IL sure does breed a lot of hippies, except Oprah of course ;)