gdizzle Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 It's a big leap of faith to assume the shocks are remanufactured when they leave all the OEM stuff on them. If their website talked about re-engineering then fine. Or if Sachs had anything to do with KW (I don't believe they're owned together) then one would think "ok they simply rehoused some stuff" but to get a box with clearly branded OEM parts and a few springs for good measure... for a lot more money... I'm not that trusting.I await Weitec to prove me wrong, and if they do great I'm wrong I can live with that (it's not a new experience for me lol). I just don't want to find out later I spent more than I needed to returning my car's handling back to the way it was when it came out the factory (which might have been awesome for all I know) when I had been expecting to purchase a true aftermarket product that changed my handling from the stock setup to something better.FFS If they'd just painted them another colour I'd have been happy LOLactually, I think sachs owns KW, at least I have heard it to be rumored. Also, it does and will change the handeling, there is reason why so many people love their kits. :monkey: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhoeve Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 scam? hardly. whether the shock is or isn't the same is irrelevant. it is a matching shock spring combo. if they didn't sell the spring separately, you wouldn't be screaming scam. just because you can buy them separately doesn't make it a scam. they made a spring rate, and possibly valved a shock, that works really well lowered. there is value and this and they can package it however they want. in fact, there should be a premium if they actually did either change the shock or spring to accommodate one another.no scam, just business my naive cross-ponder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzorb Posted August 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 sachs or not, i'm pleased with the ridemuch stiffer than stock (which probably means they AREN'T stock, right?)No disrespect, but could that be down to the new springs? And fitting brand new stock shocks would feel stiffer than old worn ones, so I'm wondering if the kit's improvement actually is more than the sum of its parts as is being suggested with reengineering, or that there is a placebo effect going on by interpreting the improved handling not just as being better than before (you'd hope!) but above what it ever could have been with just stock replacement parts and a spring kit. See what I mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzorb Posted August 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 no scam, just business my naive cross-ponder. maybe. But if Eibach made a 'Super Awesome Lowering Kit' that was simply some Eibach Pro springs and the Volvo OEM struts and charged $800 for them, I'd consider that a bit of a scam. Business can be a scam. But it's still a scam The big IF is whether the shocks are indeed not OEM - that changes everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhoeve Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 maybe. But if Eibach made a 'Super Awesome Lowering Kit' that was simply some Eibach Pro springs and the Volvo OEM struts and charged $800 for them, I'd consider that a bit of a scam. Business can be a scam. But it's still a scam The big IF is whether the stocks are indeed OEM - that changes everything.yeah if, but they don't so you won't. and the eibach theory would be a scam cause I've done it and they suck. and you also haven't run 3 different suspension set ups on an 850 and known exactly how stock, different vendor matches, and weitecs work, would you? some of us here do.not a big if. you can't read. once again, if they designed and manufactured a set of springs that matches well with that particular shock, then it is perfectably reasonable to charge whatever they feel will produce demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maiku Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 yeah if, but they don't so you won't. and the eibach theory would be a scam cause I've done it and they suck. and you also haven't run 3 different suspension set ups on an 850 and known exactly how stock, different vendor matches, and weitecs work, would you? some of us here do.not a big if. you can't read. once again, if they designed and manufactured a set of springs that matches well with that particular shock, then it is perfectably reasonable to charge whatever they feel will produce demand.ken's rightyou maybe be correct that my aging oem ones might have diedbut members here have installed 3 or 4 suspensions in their cars within a short period and can tell the differenceso bring your cynicism elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdizzle Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 ken's rightyou maybe be correct that my aging oem ones might have diedbut members here have installed 3 or 4 suspensions in their cars within a short period and can tell the differenceso bring your cynicism elsewhereI think you mean, "take your cynicism elsewhere" but hey, who's counting. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maiku Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 in Canada, bring means take :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhoeve Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 yeah if, but they don't so you won't. and the eibach theory would be a scam cause I've done it and they suck. and you also haven't run 3 different suspension set ups on an 850 and known exactly how stock, different vendor matches, and weitecs work, would you? some of us here do.not a big if. you can't read. once again, if they designed and manufactured a set of springs that matches well with that particular shock, then it is perfectably reasonable to charge whatever they feel will produce demand.I forgot to mention the converse to that. Just like they are entitled to charge whatever they want for something they researched and produced, you are entitled to pay whatever you want if you do the research and find out you can buy the same shock and spring separately for less. You figured it out, good for you, the cheaper price is your reward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maiku Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 keep in mind that springs come with the kitsyou could probably buy the springs seperately from weitec themselves unless from some miracle volvo has lowering springs with the same part number Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdizzle Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 in Canada, bring means take another reason.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussB Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 wrap your heads around this one...Volvo buys parts from a multitude of different manufacturers, and has these manufacturers install a "Volvo" marking on said part. Then Volvo sells these parts in a blue box with a considerable mark-upscam? or is it just business as usual ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp5368 Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Good homework if it is true and it might save others some money :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastboy Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 another reason..BC & Quebec, always giving Canadians a bad name.... <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gioseppe Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 BC & Quebec, always giving Canadians a bad name.... canada has a bad wrap. i think you should leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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