wmartinlsmith Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Ah yes this is true, but since I cannot buy from Volvo North America directly the playing field is slightly askew. The discounts were based on volume, but no longer. I could give a rats a$$ because I can make what I want for myself and be quite content. I was merely pointing out the consequences of basing everything on purely price.Well said Ryan.If you think for a minute that OBX's down pipe or the BBK Gary puts together is the same as what I sell you are sadly mistaken. Knock yourself out bruddah. Frankly I prefer Ferrari quality over Hyundai pricing any day, since Hyundai can't make Ferrari quality at Hyundai prices.hey not to throw any fuel to the fire, but i have to add my .02 to this.. now we know that the knock off bbk is not the same as the porsche one. but youd be surprised at the level of quality thats coming out of china now a days and the fact that they may even be rolling off the same production line as the oem part is kind of scary.. (trust me, my good friend has been to china to see where his car audio line was coming from. and the factory that produces super high end equipment also produces super budget stuff too... names withheld to protect the ferrari drivers..)and have you taken a drive in a hyundai lately.... some of us on here cant afford a ferrari. thats why we drive volvos.. they are an economical alternative to bmw and MB..now back on topic. this thread has become a bitch thread when it started out as a "hey theres a dealer not trying to screw us over" thread.you have your place in the community, and places like this do too.. i think this should have been in dealer reviews not member announcments but hey some get by.Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan850-t5 Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 i dont think cj is 'bitchin and moanin' about the competing prices. i think he is just pointing at that buying from him allows him to produce products that would be available. regarding the products such as the dp and bbk. he is not complaining that there are products that cost less, i think he is just saying that his products are higher quality and there is a market for people to pay that. not necessarily asking that the 'average' volvo owner pay it. now if there isnt a big enough market than he'll just stop selling. simple as that. no whining or complaining. ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilled man Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Ah yes this is true, but since I cannot buy from Volvo North America directly the playing field is slightly askew. The discounts were based on volume, but no longer. I could give a rats a$$ because I can make what I want for myself and be quite content. I was merely pointing out the consequences of basing everything on purely price.Well said Ryan.If you think for a minute that OBX's down pipe or the BBK Gary puts together is the same as what I sell you are sadly mistaken. Knock yourself out bruddah. Frankly I prefer Ferrari quality over Hyundai pricing any day, since Hyundai can't make Ferrari quality at Hyundai prices.Wait when did my 10year old volvo become a Ferrrari that I paid $2k for ? Oh shit it must of been when the price changes in July , holy fuck how did I miss that :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Wait when did my 10year old volvo become a Ferrrari that I paid $2k for ? Oh shit it must of been when the price changes in July , holy fuck how did I miss that Since when did OEM from CJ become better than OEM from dealer. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 300+_T5R_855 Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Since when did OEM from CJ become better than OEM from dealer. LOLI used to be able to offer better pricing than the dealer even after shipping, but no longer.times change... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow95 Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 If you think for a minute that OBX's down pipe or the BBK Gary puts together is the same as what I sell you are sadly mistaken. Knock yourself out bruddah. Frankly I prefer Ferrari quality over Hyundai pricing any day, since Hyundai can't make Ferrari quality at Hyundai prices.Not sure why I was singled out here but allow me to retort. The BBK I put together cost $700 less then yours, uses your brackets, the same pads and MUCH upgraded rotors (KVR). It has performed flawlessly. So you are saying that yours would perform even better then flawlessly? Life has been pretty good to me. I can easily afford pretty much whatever I want for my cars, but throwing away $ to say I got "CJ's" BBK is ridiculous. Have you ever bought anything japanese? Yes, you have. The japanese havent invented anything in 100 years. They copy American ingenuity, make it cheaper and sell tons of it. It may not be "the same" as what you sell, but its cheaper and just as good. Dont knock me because I did my homework and saved some cash.Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 300+_T5R_855 Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Not sure why I was singled out here but allow me to retort. The BBK I put together cost $700 less then yours, uses your brackets, the same pads and MUCH upgraded rotors (KVR). It has performed flawlessly. So you are saying that yours would perform even better then flawlessly? Life has been pretty good to me. I can easily afford pretty much whatever I want for my cars, but throwing away $ to say I got "CJ's" BBK is ridiculous. Have you ever bought anything japanese? Yes, you have. The japanese havent invented anything in 100 years. They copy American ingenuity, make it cheaper and sell tons of it. It may not be "the same" as what you sell, but its cheaper and just as good. Dont knock me because I did my homework and saved some cash.GaryYou honestly believe that the Chinese made calipers are the same as the Porsche calipers? They may work flawlessly in your application (and in most applications), but I can assure you there are differences. I was not knocking you and I offered the same discount kit for those who didn't want the Porsche calipers. This discussion was about buying OEM parts and having to compete with the dealer who at one time offered discounts to those who bought in volume. That has nothing to do with you or anyone else being thrifty while sourcing parts. OEM parts are only available from Volvo. So finding the best price gets you the same parts, only now the discount structure once afforded no longer exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilled man Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Now one thing I will say what CJ does make is flawless . I will never arguee that fact what so ever. you should go work for Evolve and go kick some heads and and get shit straigh over there ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow95 Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Sorry about that CJ. I havent read the thread up until your comment and thought you were calling me out randomly. After reading the thread I see where it comes from. As for the calipers, yes i think they are as good. What is it the porsche calipers have that you feel the chinese cant reproduce? I can tell you the fit and finish is incredible. Much better then i really expected. The powdercoat is excellent. They dont leak and they perform up to my expectations. If you mean they might not hold up under track conditions, well I cant argue that as my car will never see the track. For a street car, I see no better alternative out there (for the price).Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow95 Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 I believe in competition just like the rest of us, but this is like when Edelbrock would sell manifolds to SuperShops and SuperShops would retail them for less than we could buy them from our wholesale house. Racers would come to us to pick our brain on what to use and then go buy the item from SuperShops. Guess what, SuperShops is no longer in business, because they didn't have the expertise behind the product they sold, and we no longer offer free information. If customers put a value on the information they received, they would have bought the product from us. Now they get neither.You make the call.You dont really believe that is why supershops is out of business do you? if that was true every Advance Auto, Napa, Discount Auto etc would be out of business too.Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 300+_T5R_855 Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 You dont really believe that is why supershops is out of business do you? if that was true every Advance Auto, Napa, Discount Auto etc would be out of business too.GaryNot necessarily true. SuperShops specialized in performance parts, where Napa Advanced Auto and Discount Auto specialize in OEM replacement parts cheap. The do it your selfer in that area doesn't need the expertise they need the parts cheap.The calipers are just as nice with the exception of the piston and seal materials used. The pistons may be comparable, but the seal material cannot take the heat under track conditions. You can get a seal kit for $200.00 from Porsche and solve that problem, but then you may as well have bought the Porsche calipers to begin with. For street use they are exceptional for the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Most of the decent autoparts stores in my area have car enthusiasts working the counters and are very helpful. So they undercut and offer good advice/help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoR Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Can someone please tell me where to find these "china" callipers???I thought volvo bbk's could only be bought from CJ, ipd, or est??? I want to find out more about the bbk the Gary is running. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leurven Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 CJ sells them! Send him a PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 300+_T5R_855 Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 CJ sells them! Send him a PM.Nah, Can't get them any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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