weekendwarrior Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 I know, I try to live in the present. I was never a cheer leader for Bush and Co. realize that. No one really represents my position and beliefs. We're so civil. But during Bush I never worried about my security. Just the Constitution a bit, but these guys really scare me , no kidding. Hmm haven't heard much Clinton stuff from him, but his team invented the art of personal destruction. And Bush ne3vfer hung with Jeremia Wright, or bomber bill ayers, or commie van jones. You should look into who he mentored with, some scary people. Unless you are a Socialist or progressive, then hes your guy. 1000th post in Obama Nation! OH noes! wingnut you're like senator palpatine, we thought you were a good guy but you're actually on the dark side Tell me you don't really watch Glen Beck, or at least consider him and O'reilly legitimate sources of political news? I mean what they say is outrageous, some times border line straight out lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Racer Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 prove it and call them out on it. show me where they lied. dont forget, some of this is personal opinion or point of view. and thats hard to debate. No one of reputable news organization has or can. I keep waiting but the left just calls names with no facts or info. You put a uniform on, you should read the Constitution. And then see what happened. I suspect the younger generation of the Ipod and 30 second sound bites doesnt take the time to read. but if you dont see the issues with his personnel choices, and the people Obama trained under or emulated, then you are being naive and dishonest perhaps, to your self. I've seen my spectrum of 'leaders' and politicos, and will take my chances that people who emulate founding fathers and use their documents as creedo are on the right path. You can roll the dice with these leftist elites all you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Racer Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 The thing is, Bush was never a fiscal conservative, like a good Republican would be. The Conservatives took over the Republican party and steered it away from its fundamental values. Cheney scared me more than Obama. People change. Obama wasn't "hanging out" with them during their radical phases. If people didn't change, then why wasn't Jane Fonda deported in the 70s? Obama spends too much, but keep in mind that part of what is going out is to suppor the two wars that Bush started. She shoulda been put in jail, and she didnt change, she married a radical leftist that became a congress man, and a leftist billion aire media mogul with a big mouth and a habit for sticking his foot in it. You all forget Carter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Racer Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 (edited) Love this thread. I laughed, I cried, I built a fall-out shelter in the back yard. Good times. "The bullshit that passes for 'conventional wisdom' among conservatives would be laughable if it wasn't so dangerous. Oh but wait, you're not a conservative. You're a completely independent-thinking dude who just happens to regurgitate Fox 'News' narratives verbatim. " Why did you edit your post? You must have realized you proved my point by personal attack with no facts or basis? Keep it up, I wont have to say a damn thing. And George is also correct, Repubs did steer the party way from its base. I still cant get over you guys and other who are mesmerized by the left. If you think socialized medicine astounding spending, and czars and Secratary's making laws then... Obama is the Wizard of Oz. And no politician ever fixed nothing. I keep saying govt needs to get the fuck outta the way, its not helping anything. I treust you smart guys would figure it out and the country could heal it self. I trust the population not the politicos. Tax the rich, Arizona is racist state, The Tea Party is full of monsters... Jeez can they/you create any more demons? And I'm way more concerned about 'socialist/communist' ideals embedded in the administration than I am 'racists' in the Tea Party. This is fun, my blood is running again!! This thread was dead for a while, glad its hot again. Any way, public opinion does not favor Prez and his lackies by now. And I'm not looking at Fox pole either. And I watch CNN, MSNBC(ugh), et al, and know exactly what the enemy is up to!!! :lol: :lol: Edited July 22, 2010 by WINGNUT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volvotool Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 prove it and call them out on it. show me where they lied. dont forget, some of this is personal opinion or point of view. and thats hard to debate. If there's any doubt in anyone's mind by this time about what Fox 'News' is or what it's doing, then they're probably beyond the reach of reason. The concocted Sherrod "racism" story is just the latest in a long line of fabricated outrages-du-jour designed to keep white folks agitated, fearful and angry. It's not news, it's a reality-based soap opera. You can roll the dice with these leftist elites all you want. I have news for you, everyone in DC is an elite, even the ones who failed public speaking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volvotool Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 Why did you edit your post? Because arguing politics on the interwebz is the gateway drug to full-blown retardation. :lol: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappo Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 OH noes! wingnut you're like senator palpatine, we thought you were a good guy but you're actually on the dark side Tell me you don't really watch Glen Beck, or at least consider him and O'reilly legitimate sources of political news? I mean what they say is outrageous, some times border line straight out lying. O'Reilly, Beck, Huckabee, Hannity, Susteren, the Fox and Friends team, etc. are all opinion and not news. This is according to Fox News itself. In 24 hours they probably only have 5-6 hours of actual news. This is probably true for all the 24 hour news channels. O'Reilly used to be the radical on there, but with Beck and Hannity on the channel, Bill has become the moderate. Beck is in a class by himself for some of the bizarre stuff he comes up with. IQ was definitely not a requirement to become part of Fox and Friends. Probably the same thing on MSNBC also because they have their own set of crazies, but the Fox staff are better known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Racer Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 True political bazaar arguments on the wwwebz. Lead to this ? First if you can say that about FOx you better realize every other 'news' station is in the pocket of the left. Beck bazaar? Yup, but its seems to be true. No one has disputed his challenges or his information he provides. Challenge his topics, or his info... Call him a liar and then prove it, like a rational debate needs, honest facts and counterpoints. VT your a smart guy, I've met you. You live in CT, you see how F'd up they all are. Dem supermajority, RHINO Guv, spendspendspend, no real cuts, and tax increases. Its my money they are playing roulette with. Micro of Washington, protect jobs and power thats all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volvotool Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 First if you can say that about FOx you better realize every other 'news' station is in the pocket of the left. Nope. All cable TV news is corrupted by the profit motive, but they still do practice the craft of journalism to some degree. But Fox 'News' is not a news outlet at all. And make no mistake, it is the very practice of journalism that conservatives object to. They've been objecting at least since the Vietnam war, when that era's reporters dared to highlight the folly of that venture. Glenn Beck, for the record, is a circus geek. Any time spent debating his 'information' is time utterly wasted. He's the blubbering Clown Prince of news-themed infotainment for Cracker America. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithwicks Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 I suspect the younger generation of the Ipod and 30 second sound bites doesnt take the time to read. Don't worry there's a couple of us who still actually read things. O'Reilly, Beck, Huckabee, Hannity, Susteren, the Fox and Friends team, etc. are all opinion and not news. This is according to Fox News itself. In 24 hours they probably only have 5-6 hours of actual news. This is probably true for all the 24 hour news channels. O'Reilly used to be the radical on there, but with Beck and Hannity on the channel, Bill has become the moderate. Beck is in a class by himself for some of the bizarre stuff he comes up with. IQ was definitely not a requirement to become part of Fox and Friends. Probably the same thing on MSNBC also because they have their own set of crazies, but the Fox staff are better known. Fox News and most cable news outlets are jokes, FN just takes the cake i think. They all sensationalize things and make them dramatic and end of the world in order to get people watching... The one thing Im going to be keeping an eye on in the coming weeks is the legal battle between the WH & Arizona over their immigration law... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Racer Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 And crushing everyone else in the ratings. Odd so many duped idiots watching Fox instead of ed schultz, rachel maddow, keith olberman. Those are journalists my friend, do you really see a difference, or do you just see a difference of opinion? Honestly, look in the mirror now. Come on. Seriously. Lets be clear right now. My opinions and beliefs were formed well before Beck was a DJ on ZOO 100. Before Hannity got outta High school. Before Rush worked for the Kansas City Royals. And don't confuse me with a Republican sycophant. I got a real good idea how both sides work. And no none can have these convos with the intent of conversion. Its just you cant ignore information, from anyone, and you cant take it for face from any one. For crying out loud, The NY Times has been busted 10 times for a out right lying in print!! THE paper of record lying in print!! Their reader ship is waaay down, and there's talk of govt bailouts for the NEWSPAPER industry!? WTF. So dont hand me FOX and say its the real culprit. And if you like what DC is doing right now, then you get what you deserve. Income redistribution that will lead to mediocrity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Racer Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 (edited) And I want you to take a specific item Beck remarked about and show him wrong, cuz again all you did was name calling. And cracker America votes. And that statement bothers me, its snobbish and condescending. Those are the kinda statements that get under peoples skin, and prove my point again. Regular folks are the majority, dont you get it? Your not regular folks I guess, your better. Your smarter, you have a nicer house, you have more money, you have 3 cars and cute kids in college. You know better than the rest of America is that what your saying? YOu really think your ideologue is mainstream or the majority? Just asking. They have what, God and their guns? Hmmm, I guess I'm one of 'em then. Just soze ya knbow, Im 6 stella drafts into my night, soooo..... Edited July 23, 2010 by WINGNUT 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekendwarrior Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 prove it and call them out on it. show me where they lied. dont forget, some of this is personal opinion or point of view. and thats hard to debate. No one of reputable news organization has or can. I keep waiting but the left just calls names with no facts or info. You put a uniform on, you should read the Constitution. And then see what happened. I suspect the younger generation of the Ipod and 30 second sound bites doesnt take the time to read. but if you dont see the issues with his personnel choices, and the people Obama trained under or emulated, then you are being naive and dishonest perhaps, to your self. I've seen my spectrum of 'leaders' and politicos, and will take my chances that people who emulate founding fathers and use their documents as creedo are on the right path. You can roll the dice with these leftist elites all you want. Yes, but they never say "this is just opinions", i feel like people who watch fox are led to believe that these opinions are legit solid facts, and as much as i would love to agree with you i can't, fox never went after the bush administration...why? Because it's all partisan media I'm dumb!!! I was there in 2004 yelling at the top of my lungs "four more years!", i am not a lefty, but i don't agree with how fox does their business. The facts are constantly taken out of context, quotes chop shopped, and just a general lack of any fairness in their reporting. I mean...TERRORIST FIST JAB?! C'mon people!? They just say "We have facts" and everyone goes for it because there's no other republican-tilted news station. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Racer Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 wohooo i survived my beers!! I will now move to Cali and grow pot in Mendicino, so your all owned!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volvotool Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 And I want you to take a specific item Beck remarked about and show him wrong, cuz again all you did was name calling. And cracker America votes. And that statement bothers me, its snobbish and condescending. Those are the kinda statements that get under peoples skin, and prove my point again Fox. Is not. A news organization. That's the ante to sit at the table and have a rational discussion about the network, its personalities and its content. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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