Ghost Shadow Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 This movie was made before volvo made effe'd up ETM'sFight Club 1999http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0137523/"Narrator: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.Business woman on plane: Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?Narrator: You wouldn't believe.Business woman on plane: Which car company do you work for?Narrator: A major one. "we can replace the "rear diff" with "failed ETM" and that'll apply to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt b Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 All cars manufacturers do that. They are FOR PROFIT companies, not the Red Cross. Sucks, but that's the reality of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Shadow Posted February 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 QUOTE (matt b @ Feb 22 2009, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>All cars manufacturers do that. They are FOR PROFIT companies, not the Red Cross. Sucks, but that's the reality of it.do you remember the scene? when everyone is burnt up in the car and they standing there making fun of them?thats how i feel when the dealer sticks their noses up at us with the etm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt b Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 do you remember the scene? when everyone is burnt up in the car and they standing there making fun of them?thats how i feel when the dealer sticks their noses up at us with the etm!I remember it. But I don't see a burning car being as serious as a dying ETM. Or am I missing the point ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Shadow Posted February 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 QUOTE (matt b @ Feb 22 2009, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I remember it. But I don't see a burning car being as serious as a dying ETM. Or am I missing the point ?well a burnt car can be too dramatic but question is, have you ever driven a car with a failing etm? it makes you think that can happen give the right circumstances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
info2x Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 QUOTE (matt b @ Feb 22 2009, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>All cars manufacturers do that. They are FOR PROFIT companies, not the Red Cross. Sucks, but that's the reality of it.Unless it's a noncompliance issue then they have to recall it. IE: I do my job wrong and a car is not meeting CARB's regulations the cars are recalled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt b Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Unless it's a noncompliance issue then they have to recall it. IE: I do my job wrong and a car is not meeting CARB's regulations the cars are recalled.They must fix it on a case by case basis, but it's not grounds for a recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
info2x Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 QUOTE (matt b @ Feb 22 2009, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>They must fix it on a case by case basis, but it's not grounds for a recall.I'm not talking about build non-compliance that's limited to say one vehicle here or there where the guy forgot a critical bolt or something along those lines. I'm talking about software non-compliance where it's applied to all vehicles with that particular engine calibration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 i think owners of cars that were built buy a company that is now in financialy dire straits deserve a bailout (said the guy who's family has a Saab and a Volvo) oh... and if you want to really fault someone... go after the NHSTA and the manufacturer of the ETMremember the toilet paper anology? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt b Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 I'm not talking about build non-compliance that's limited to say one vehicle here or there where the guy forgot a critical bolt or something along those lines. I'm talking about software non-compliance where it's applied to all vehicles with that particular engine calibration.Can it be proven ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilled man Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 QUOTE (matt b @ Feb 22 2009, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I remember it. But I don't see a burning car being as serious as a dying ETM. Or am I missing the point ?Ever drive down the road and the car stall for no reason . Ever hit the gas to pull out at a intersection and the car stall or not move. Ever stop to turn and the car stall out. I would say worse then a car buringQUOTE (matt b @ Feb 22 2009, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I remember it. But I don't see a burning car being as serious as a dying ETM. Or am I missing the point ?Ever drive down the road and the car stall for no reason . Ever hit the gas to pull out at a intersection and the car stall or not move. Ever stop to turn and the car stall out. I would say worse then a car buring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
info2x Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 QUOTE (matt b @ Feb 22 2009, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Can it be proven ?Yes it can. Let's say we're talking about some of the coolant diagnostics. One of these diagnostics, P0116 IIRC, diagnoses if the thermostat is stuck open. CARB can test this by taking a car putting in a stuck open thermostat. If the code doesn't get set then they know that the software is non-compliant. They can look up the calibration in that vehicle by the the calibration part number within the ECU. Or take the coolant sensor itself. There are diagnostics to detect if it's biased high or low. CARB puts fault sensor in (or a fixed resistor instead of a sensor) the code doesn't set and shizam the software is non-compliant.This doesn't mean that every diagnostic would require a recall but some do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownTurboBrick Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 hence why i don't bother buying 99+ volvos, i like my throttle cable :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
info2x Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 hence why i don't bother buying 99+ volvos, i like my throttle cable Amen to that. I like knowing that x pedal gives me x opening, not x +/- a bunch o'crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt b Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Yes it can. Let's say we're talking about some of the coolant diagnostics. One of these diagnostics, P0116 IIRC, diagnoses if the thermostat is stuck open. CARB can test this by taking a car putting in a stuck open thermostat. If the code doesn't get set then they know that the software is non-compliant. They can look up the calibration in that vehicle by the the calibration part number within the ECU. Or take the coolant sensor itself. There are diagnostics to detect if it's biased high or low. CARB puts fault sensor in (or a fixed resistor instead of a sensor) the code doesn't set and shizam the software is non-compliant.This doesn't mean that every diagnostic would require a recall but some do.Then get a good lawyer and do a class action lawsuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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