Nebor Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 The real deal does'nt need a few minutes of normal driving to "recharge" so you can have a couple seconds of boost....The real deal [sC or Turbo] can do way more than 10 psi at a more broad RPM range. With the money you'd spend buying one of those stupid things and upgrading batteries/alternators/etc you could have reliably turbo'ed most any car.You also got to realize that just for that a few moments of boost you get, you got to upgrade your fuel system to one of the standards of any other forced induction application.Not worth it IMHO.←Everything you said was true, except for the part about boost levels. Seeing as how this unit is electric, and not exhaust or belt driven, it can run max boost at any given time, regardless of RPM.I agree, a conventional turbo or supercharger system is more practical for most people, but I've already said that several times in this thread. But this technology has potential, and you guys won't even give it half a chance.All I'm saying is that it works. It makes horse power through the use of 3 electric motors. Be as skeptical as you want. I suggest you go after BMW next, for proposing that a car could run without a camshaft, using electronically controlled valves. I mean, that's blasphemous! Why would we want innovation?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brickster151 Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Be as skeptical as you want. I suggest you go after BMW next, for proposing that a car could run without a camshaft, using electronically controlled valves. I mean, that's blasphemous! Why would we want innovation?!←yeah but the valves on that system don't suddenly stop opening/closing after a given amount of time. 3 starter motors taped together is'nt exactly innovative.The only useful thing I see it for is as a alternative to nitrous really since you dont have to refill it or anything. [nitrous bottles weigh less than 4 batteries though] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebor Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 yeah but the valves on that system don't suddenly stop opening/closing after a given amount of time. 3 starter motors taped together is'nt exactly innovative.The only useful thing I see it for is as a alternative to nitrous really since you dont have to refill it or anything. [nitrous bottles weigh less than 4 batteries though]←Exactly. That's how the producer of the electric supercharger feels as well. He says "think of it as a nitrous tank that you recharge for pennies." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Comparing BMW to Thomas Knight is blasphemous. This "technology" is cool. Cool if it were a HS or undergrad project. In the real world this is about as practical as AOL being allowed to design security appliances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdizzle Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 HI OOOOOO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebor Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 .... he invented it in high school... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 :rolleyes: ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Ok we have now confirmed we don't want this/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DougK Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Nebor, you must not be convinced yourself, I obviously dont see you plunking down a credit card to buy it.Put up or shut up please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DougK Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Ok, lets look at this logically:1. Amperage draw. Seems to me that this "sc" requires so much power that it needs 4 batteries in series. This to means that most likely it will not have the juice to make a complete 1/4 mile pass, so while you MAY get a small boost from say 0-45mph, its going be HP that tapers off as you use it.2. At WOT theres also a greater electrical demand to fire spark plugs ect.3. IF the SC is "off" or not enough power to work effectively, you've added a MAJOR intake restriction.4. It cost a THOUSAND bucks.5. The batteries combined, lets say you do spring for the oddeseys lets say 15 lbs each (about average) and 150 bucks a pop (average) thats 60lbs of weight and 600 dollars in batteries.6. Add in the weight and expensive of wiring (atleast another 20-25lbs) and your in at 85 lbs in batteries/wiring. 7. You ever run a battery dead? It doesn't just instantly recharge regardless of the alternator rating.8. Oh ya you'll need to upgrade the alternator.. figure atleast a 100 bucks.9. Incase you forgot were up to 1700 dollars. 10. You'll need to add some sort of chip, custom tuned for hte "sparatic" output at best of this "SC" figure another 500 dollars + dyno tuning (250 bucks) and your up to 2550 dollars.Have I made my point yet? You loose more power with it off you barely gain any MAYBE with it on.I could turbo any na fwd volvo for that or less and you'd have power all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbobrick Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 but it works right ? regardless of cost or how much power draw, who in there right mind would buy it is beyond me, but it still works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DougK Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 I still doubt it does... even if it does a 50hp wetshot used of ebay would be alot cheaper and more effective. But like I said, nebor seems convinced, he can pony up the cash and prove us wrong :monkey: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DougK Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Everything you said was true, except for the part about boost levels. Seeing as how this unit is electric, and not exhaust or belt driven, it can run max boost at any given time, regardless of RPM.oh ya this is a brilliant idea on a motor that bends rods with high boost/low rpm situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricF Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Everything you said was true, except for the part about boost levels. Seeing as how this unit is electric, and not exhaust or belt driven, it can run max boost at any given time, regardless of RPM.←I'm sorry, but it cannot.It can run its maximum *flow* of air at any time, but the boost generated by this flow will vary inversely to the rpm of the motor. If it generates 10 psi at 2000, it will generate ~5 psi at 4000, etc.This is neglecting the higher draw of other devices on the motor at high rpms (spark plugs etc) as well. Oh, and I went to high school with Thomas Knight. I beat him in the science fair with my u17r4 4w350m3 m3g4 tail-pipe mounted electric vacuum cleaner. Same idea, reverse application!Second place was a cell-phone powered electric comb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAVolvo Posted November 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 I can't believe this thread made it so far.← nor did I, it was a somewhat half-baked idea to begin with...Why can't we all just get along? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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