Ap Racing Big Bakes....And Ipd Bars

[Che'_Moderator]

And???

How does their limited production warrant double the cost. What is better about them??

Someone needs to look up "economy of scale"

[AverageVolvo]

Someone needs to look up "economy of scale"

Wow,

Some how I missed that at Ucla Anderson school of Business.

I am asking why are they better regardless of price?

Their limited production is most likely attributed to supply/demand.

Clearly there is not that much demand.

Q: Who is the OE choice of Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, AMG, BMW, McLaren, Aston Martin, Ducati, Land Rover, Mitsubishi, Subaru, Infiniti, and more?

A: Brembo

Q: Who has the most experience in F1, Le Mans, and Rally?

A: Brembo

Q: Who has come out with the most innovations in braking technology in the last 20 years? (Monoblock aluminum calipers, carbon ceramic brakes, the first 6 piston braking system to outperform larger 8 piston system, etc etc)

A: Brembo

Q: Who is the acknowledged world-leader in R&D for braking systems?

A: Brembo

SO why would I spend over 2x as much???

TOP GEARS FASTEST CARS

Ranger, great answer! Here's a look at the quickest cars Top Gear has ever tested and which brakes each manufacturer chose to go with:

Gumpert Apollo 1.17.1 (AP Racing)

Ascari A10 1.17.3 (AP Racing)

Koenigsegg CCX (with Top Gear spoiler) 1.17.6 (AP Racing & Brembo components)

Pagani Zonda F Roadster 1.17.8 (AP Racing)

Caterham R500 1.17.9 (AP Racing)

Bugatti Veyron 1.18.3 (AP Racing)

Pagani Zonda F 1.18.4 (AP Racing)

Maserati MC12 1.18.9 (Ferrari/Brembo)

Ferrari Enzo 1.19.0 (Ferrari/Brembo)

Ariel Atom 1.19.5 (Alcon)

Lamborghini LP560 1.19.5 (Brembo)

Ferrari Scuderia 1.19.7 (Ferrari/Brembo)

Nissan GT-R (R35) 1.19.7 (Brembo)

Lamborghini LP640 1.19.8 (Brembo)

Porsche Carerra GT 1.19.8 (Brembo)

Koenigsegg CCX 1.20.4 (AP Racing & Brembo)

Ascari KZ1 1.20.7 (AP Racing)

Mercedes McLaren SLR 1.20.9 (AP Racing)

Ferrari 599GTB 1.21.2 (Ferrari/Brembo)

Ford GT 1.21.9 (Brembo)

Ferrari 360 CS 1.22.3 (Ferrari/Brembo)

Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3 (Brembo)

Corvette Z06 1.22.4 (PBR)

Noble M15 1.22.5 (AP Racing)

Murcielago 1.23.7 (Brembo)

Zonda 1.23.8 (AP Racing)

Koenigsegg 1.23.9 (AP Racing & Brembo)

Aston Martin DBS 1.23.93 (Brembo)

Veritas RS III 1.24.2 (TRW? Could be misprint. If TWR, they are made by AP Racing)

Prodrive P2 1.24.3

Audi R8 1.24.4 (Brembo)

TVR Sagaris 1.24.6 (AP Racing)

Mitsubishi Evo FQ400 1.24.8 (Brembo)

TVR Tuscan 1.24.8 (AP Racing)

Noble M400 1.25.0 (AP Racing)

Lotus Exige S 1.25.1 (AP Racing front / Brembo & AP Racing rear)

BMW M3 Saloon 1.25.3 (Ate)

Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder 1.25.7 (Brembo)

Lamborghini Gallardo 1.25.8 (Brembo)

BMW Z4 M 1.26.0 (Ate)

Porsche Cayman 1.26.2 (Brembo)

Porsche 911 Carrera 2S 1.26.2 (Brembo)

Brabus Biturbo Roadster 1.26.2 (Brembo)

Lotus Exige 1.26.4 (AP Racing front / Brembo & AP Racing rear)

Chevrolet Corvette 1.26.8 (PBR)

Lexus IS-F 1.26.8 (Brembo)

Mercedes CLS 55 AMG 1.26.9 (Brembo or Ate, depending on year)

Aston Martin Vanquish S 1.27.1 (AP Racing)

Aston Martin DB9 1.27.1 (Brembo)

Telsa Roadster 1.27.2 (AP Racing front / Brembo & AP Racing rear)

Porsche 911 GT3 1.27.2 (Brembo)

TVR 350C 1.27.5 (AP Racing)

BMW M3 CSL 1.28.0 (Ate)

Roush Mustang 1.28.0 (StopTech or PFC)

Marcos TSO GT2 1.28.2 (AP Racing)

Subaru WRX Sti 1.28.2 (Brembo)

Mitsubishi Evo X 1.28.22 (Brembo)

Dodge Viper SRT-10 1.28.5 (Brembo)

MG SV 1.28.6 (AP Racing)

Porsche 911 Carrera S 1.28.9 (Brembo)

Mitsubishi Evo VIII 1.28.9 (Brembo)

BMW Alpina Z8 1.29.0 (Ate)

Mercedes CL65 1.29.0 (Ate)

VW Golf W12 1.29.6 (Brembo - RS4 front / Gallardo rear)

Alfa 3.7 GTA Autodelta 1.30.0 (AP Racing)

Ford Shelby GT500 1.30.0 (Brembo front / PBR rear)

So perhaps if you think you have a super car Volvo you might want Ap racing. :lol:

[socal850tuner]

Wow,

Some how I missed that at Ucla Anderson school of Business.

I am asking why are they better regardless of price?

Their limited production is most likely attributed to supply/demand.

Clearly there is not that much demand.

The porsche brake kit can be parted together, no real engineering behind it other then the mounting brackets. The AP kit was built specifically for our cars so AP had to spend the money to design, test, and produce their product. Where as the porsche kit you buy the brackets, find some calipers, some S60R rotors.

[lookforjoe]

The porsche brake kit can be parted together, no real engineering behind it other then the mounting brackets. The AP kit was built specifically for our cars so AP had to spend the money to design, test, and produce their product. Where as the porsche kit you buy the brackets, find some calipers, some S60R rotors.

Yeah, I'm sure they spent much time on R&D

Maybe these make sense for competition, but for the kind of use 99% of Vs'ers, makes no sense to spend that much :D

[AverageVolvo]

The porsche brake kit can be parted together, no real engineering behind it other then the mounting brackets. The AP kit was built specifically for our cars so AP had to spend the money to design, test, and produce their product. Where as the porsche kit you buy the brackets, find some calipers, some S60R rotors.

THANK YOU!

Yeah, I'm sure they spent much time on R&D

Maybe these make sense for competition, but for the kind of use 99% of Vs'ers, makes no sense to spend that much

My thoughts exaclty

Wait till the 302m lovers chip in :lol:

And FYI they use this Caliper on other cars. Just like Brembo, thats why they have brackets to adapt them

[Karl Buchka]

Yeah, I'm sure they spent much time on R&D

Maybe these make sense for competition, but for the kind of use 99% of Vs'ers, makes no sense to spend that much

Big +1 on that.

To the OP, you got ripped off on that brake kit. I bet you all the money in the world you would feel no difference in braking with the AP vs the porsche stuff. Didn't you find it the least bit strange that the guy recommending the hideously overpriced brake kit was also the guy selling the hideously overpriced brake kit?

[steve s]

perhaps those ap rotors are semi-float?

the brembos i have use have oval holes as well as springs at the back of over other bolt to minimize rattle. but as u can see, there are minor fractures on the cross-drilled holes as well as cracks on the mounting hole. that's after ~50k miles and 2 track days.

[steve s]

[steve s]

unfortunately, the photos are a bit hard to tell, but the oval holes are lined up so long side are pointed outward. so allows for radial expansion when heated (did i say that correctly?).

it's interesting to note both variants (drilled and slotted) for both ap racing and brembo have the direction swept forward, counter to the interally swept backward vents.

[tonyt-5]

Big +1 on that.

To the OP, you got ripped off on that brake kit. I bet you all the money in the world you would feel no difference in braking with the AP vs the porsche stuff. Didn't you find it the least bit strange that the guy recommending the hideously overpriced brake kit was also the guy selling the hideously overpriced brake kit?

+1 on that to

[Johann]

An official Brembo kit will cost the same if not more than an AP kit.

[Che'_Moderator]

unfortunately, the photos are a bit hard to tell, but the oval holes are lined up so long side are pointed outward. so allows for radial expansion when heated (did i say that correctly?).

it's interesting to note both variants (drilled and slotted) for both ap racing and brembo have the direction swept forward, counter to the interally swept backward vents.

Yes but you can still see the sliders and bolt hardware. Not just a plain bolt.

An official Brembo kit will cost the same if not more than an AP kit.

Exactly. Thats why a lot off smaller car companies use AP. They do not have the buying power to get Brembos at an even remotely price effective point. A full set of Brembos will easily run 5k dollars per wheel or double that for ceramic.

If you want a better example of performance look at racing where almost no one uses AP

[randomdude]

so when installing drilled or slotted rotors, does it effect the performance in diffrent manners if you install them with the holes/slots swept forward or backwards? ive seen cars with them mounted both ways, does it matter?

[Johann]

so when installing drilled or slotted rotors, does it effect the performance in diffrent manners if you install them with the holes/slots swept forward or backwards? ive seen cars with them mounted both ways, does it matter?

Totally depends on how the manufacturer thinks they should be mounted.

[randomdude]

well i bought the rotors off here from delawareR, and he forgot what brand they were lol, which way would you mount them?