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I'm going with a burnt valve also, (from similar experience), a head gasket will rarely give zero compression readings, a burnt valve is a sure bet...I would think that if it was carbon buildup, or stuck, you would have some corresponding lifter noise with it....good luck, it all comes down to doing a lot of work.

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Started the tear down today. Went very smooth with some Kroil soaking and no "Oh, xit" moments. Got the manifolds, serp./timing belts off, and coolant drained. Hopefully will be pulling the head tomorrow. I'm gonna read over that part in the Haynes tonight, but I think even if it's just the gasket I'm gonna go back with a remanufactured head. Will I be reusing just the cams/tappets out of my head? Any additional tips on removing the top half/bottom halves of the head? Is there a simpler way of holding the cams in the top and for applying the downward pressure against the springs prior to reinstall than the makeshift tools described in the Haynes? All other advice/tips welcome too! BTW, I did the work at a very generous VW TDI forum memember's shop who's always working on folks' W's. Here's a link with a few pics.

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?p=2837001#post2837001

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Cue the crickets.

Anyways, I got the head apart/off today. Two burned exhaust valves. I'll be getting a head from clearwater. Pics at above link.

where in clearwater and how much?

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Here's a recent dialogue I had with a mechanic who has some experience with the 850. I'm not sure I've got my head wrapped around his method. Also, I've disassembled the manifold and will be cleaning it out this weekend and hopefully will make the Haynes tools for the head installation. Any thoughts/advice on all this is much appreciated!

ME: I'm getting ready to reinstall the cams in the top half. ***With the top half laying upside down*** for cam install, my understanding is that the cams are in correct position when the slot on the rear of the intake cam is parallel with and offset slightly below the mating surface of the top half and the exhaust parallel and slightly above. In turn, with the sprockets removed this alignment will place two of the three threaded holes for the intake cam sprocket facing down and parallel to the mating surface and two of the exhaust cam holes parallel and facing up. With this orientation, the timing marks are correct when the sprockets are installed.

My questions are how precise does one have to be when getting these parallel prior to installing the cam locking tool? I have a very good eye for these things but wasn't sure just HOW critical. Secondly, I labeled the sprockets Int./Exh. prior to removal and also scribed around the bolts on the sprocket faces, as I understand the holes are slotted and I wanted to reposition them exactly where they were prior to removal. The intake sprocket was pretty much centered, but the exhaust was off center almost completely to one side within the slot. Wouldn’t this have the exhaust valves either slightly advanced or retarded (not sure which)? The car is running rich and I did burn two exhaust valves in 2 & 3 and I'm wondering if this could have contributed. Should I just re-enter it upon reinstall or put back the way it was?

HIM: Well the tool on the back of the camshaft would definitely tell you for certain if this is correct or not. Your car does not have the variable valve timing unit. The slotted holes are to correct for machining differences. I would use "the tool" or a similarly suited device to lock the rear cams into place. At that point leave the front bolts slightly loose, and install the belt, where the bolts end up (while the belt is under tension please) is where the front sprockets should be locked down onto.

ME: So, are you saying with them just snug, route the belt with hand tension up and over the intake sprocket, adjust to fit the belt then tighten sprocket, then across to the exhaust (under tension), adjust again to fit and tighten, finish routing, release tensioner, rotate crank clockwise twice, then recheck marks?

HIM: NO, I am saying fit them loosely. Install the timing belt, finding your "center tooth" on each camshaft, release the tensioner pin, THEN tighten the sprocket bolts.

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what is this "Italian Tune-Up" that supposedly "worked like a charm" but the engine isn't fixed nor runs well...

From Urban Dictionary "Italian tune up"= a regular tune up performed by Oreo, which includes lubricating the valve guides by squeezing the grease out of some Italian sausage, Canadian bacon and Pepperoni. Plug gapping depends on what boost level your at which corresponds to the depth of either thin, hand tossed, or deep dish pizza crust.

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From Urban Dictionary "Italian tune up"= a regular tune up performed by Oreo, which includes lubricating the valve guides by squeezing the grease out of some Italian sausage, Canadian bacon and Pepperoni. Plug gapping depends on what boost level your at which corresponds to the depth of either thin, hand tossed, or deep dish pizza crust.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Yes, I did get new stretch bolts. Feel free to shed light regarding the reassembly of the head/cams that doesn't seem to jive with what I've posted. Thanks. Also, I will be fabricating the tools Haynes describes so if anyone has made/used them before any advice would be good. Thanks.

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