dublin14 Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 a K24 is a big turbo... for a stock engine. BUt a k24 is NOT that much bigger than a 19t. And even that being said, no one can really prove that the K24 is bigger than the 19t. It is all just theory from what I can tell as the wheels on the K24 are much larger, but also of a different design (Reminds me of a garret). I'm talking gt30r status here. Or 50 - 55 trim turbos. The K24 will out flow a 19T anyday! Just look at the comparo that Spanky did in size between the 19T wheels vs the K24 which also has ETT. I found this which is interesting for the K24 guys! http://www.streetfire.net/video/04-volvo-v70r-dyno-2-308-awhp-363-tq-stock-turbo_199778.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fischmama Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 The K24 will out flow a 19T anyday! Just look at the comparo that Spanky did in size between the 19T wheels vs the K24 which also has ETT. I found this which is interesting for the K24 guys! http://www.streetfir...urbo_199778.htm I would agree with that, I just wish there where some flow numbers out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublin14 Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 Well right now I'm almost a 60 trim.... 58-59 trim and we sent out a kkk 24 and now its almost a 70 trim with the upgraded compressor wheel so I'm wanting to know what kinda numbers that will post I am very interested to find out what you did and how much the shop charged. Im all ready to do an upgrade with the k24 i have sitting here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
550 Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 The K24 will out flow a 19T anyday! Just look at the comparo that Spanky did in size between the 19T wheels vs the K24 which also has ETT. I found this which is interesting for the K24 guys! http://www.streetfire.net/video/04-volvo-v70r-dyno-2-308-awhp-363-tq-stock-turbo_199778.htm But by how much? I mean, really you cant just say that because the wheel is bigger it WILL flow more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublin14 Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 I would agree with that, I just wish there where some flow numbers out there. Well look at the bright side of that vid, a K24 can get 308awhp and 364trq to the ground. That would easily be 320+whp and even more trq to the ground with a FWD. Im sending my head out to make sure it flows as much as it can to let the engine breath as much as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublin14 Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 But by how much? I mean, really you cant just say that because the wheel is bigger it WILL flow more. Well if a 19T at its "MAX" gets maybe 290ish whp with FWD, then a K24 that gets 308AWHP or around 320+WHP(fWHP) is out flowing it by 30whp http://www.streetfir...urbo_199778.htm! Its a bigger Turbo and has ETT which also is a big bonus! All the new BW Turbos are using the ETT and are out flowing Garret GT R Turbos at the same size and PSI! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
550 Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 I'm sorry but you have no idea how the tunes differ. I will not just accept some dyno vids of unknown origins. Regardless of wheel size, wheel design plays a much bigger roll in flow. For example, when you stuff a new wheel into a turbo it isn't always bigger. But the design is different. While we all assume the K24 flows more than the 19t there really is no hard proof, as of now at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublin14 Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 I'm sorry but you have no idea how the tunes differ. I will not just accept some dyno vids of unknown origins. Regardless of wheel size, wheel design plays a much bigger roll in flow. For example, when you stuff a new wheel into a turbo it isn't always bigger. But the design is different. While we all assume the K24 flows more than the 19t there really is no hard proof, as of now at least. Again the K24 is a bigger Turbo, Bigger wheel with "ETT", so it only makes proper common sense to realize what Turbo out flows. 96R 16T, 99R 18T, 00R 19T, 04R K24. Every Turbo out performed the last! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greekone Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 Well look at the bright side of that vid, a K24 can get 308awhp and 364trq to the ground. That would easily be 320+whp and even more trq to the ground with a FWD. Im sending my head out to make sure it flows as much as it can to let the engine breath as much as possible. True, but you're also comparing a 2.5L to a 2.3L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
550 Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 Again the K24 is a bigger Turbo, Bigger wheel with "ETT", so it only makes proper common sense to realize what Turbo out flows. 96R 16T, 99R 18T, 00R 19T, 04R K24. Every Turbo out performed the last! The 16t and the 18t weren't far from each other IIRC. And you can't just assume that since each one out flowed the last that it dictates everything from now until forever. It is a completely different MFR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublin14 Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 True, but you're also comparing a 2.5L to a 2.3L. I dont think a 2.3 with proper head work and supporting mods would be any less (or not much of) than S60R stage 2 with a Stock K24! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublin14 Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 The 16t and the 18t weren't far from each other IIRC. And you can't just assume that since each one out flowed the last that it dictates everything from now until forever. It is a completely different MFR. BS! From a guy that has seen both on the dyno on the same car, the 16T vs 18T is about 20-30whp. I had both on my car and the difference in power was pretty dam big! Boglin went from mid 14s with a 16T, to a 13.83 with just an 18T on the same tune! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
550 Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 15g 428cfm 16t 435cfm 18t 485cfm 19t 500cfm small 16g 540cfm 18g 590cfm 20g 640cfm Vtrim 750cfm 53mm Strim 530cfm 48mm Htrim 870cfm 56mm maps from http://www.stealth316.com/2-3s-cfm-maps.htm 10lb=145ft^3 10m^3/s=212cfm ***** This is a cross post from T-bricks by benflynn ****** http://forums.turbobricks.com/archive/index.php/t-97729.html Like I said. Even below it in the same thread: This one by TLAO: yea dude those are just @ 2PR .. some of those turbos actually flow MORE than that 15g is closer to 440cfm(G series does better up top than T series for that size compressor wheel) 16t is like 450cfm so eh 18t is around 500cfm 19t around 550+cfm 16g6 is around 620cfm in the small stock housing, throw on a 17c housing and it changes things a bit. 20g is good for near 700cfm Still a 50cfm difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublin14 Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 ***** This is a cross post from T-bricks by benflynn ****** http://forums.turbob...hp/t-97729.html Like I said. Even below it in the same thread: This one by TLAO: Still a 50cfm difference. Going by CFM its not a huge difference i agree. But, no matter what its enough to have a 30whp difference, as most 16T vs 18T dynos show. If the K24 has that over a 19T which i dont doubt it does, then i think 30whp or more over a 19T should be accurate. If you look at the Shots that Spanky took of the 19T vs the K24 in size, theres a good size difference.http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/index.php/topic/127133-k24-turbo-question/page__st__40 Even if you have two wheels of the same size except one is a ETT it will out perform as the alot of guys that are using BW ETTT turbos are seeing all over the country! Going by CFM its not a huge difference i agree. But, no matter what its enough to have a 30whp difference, as most 16T vs 18T dynos show. If the K24 has that over a 19T which i dont doubt it does, then i think 30whp or more over a 19T should be accurate. If you look at the Shots that Spanky took of the 19T vs the K24 in size, theres a good size difference.http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/index.php/topic/127133-k24-turbo-question/page__st__40 Even if you have two wheels of the same size except one is a ETT it will out perform as the alot of guys that are using BW ETTT turbos are seeing all over the country! You would think KKK would have Flow charts for the Volvo K24? I might try contacting head office and see what i can find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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