jschaefer7406 Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 The thing is, I don't think you can use any of your stylin hoses for the RIP kit. You may be correct, dunno. However, even if I did go with a FMIC, I'd still need to fabricate a lower pipe and deal with the sensors. I think I can use some of the existing hoses, probably not all... As some have said in the past, I just like the cleanliness of the RIP setup and really think a FMIC is too ricey and elaborate for me. I think the reverse setup may be the next best thing . Anyway, thanks for the insight. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
550 Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 You admitted it. Thank you. (You like the look better, I respect that!) "Ricey" isn't the right word though. Listen, after talking with someone who filled my glass back up (re:the dublin14 thread) I'm guessing you could piece it together. And you could probably use the hoses you have, but not in their current form. You will have to hack them up. And that probably won't be easy either. :-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jschaefer7406 Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Wait, whatever, go waste your money piecing together a RIP kit. It isn't my money. You asked for opinions, and that was given. I asked for opinions from anyone who has used BOTH on the same car (with no other changes). Didn't ask for opinions on cost effectiveness, etc. No need to get upset, I'm not arguing with you. Again, I appreciate your help. If you've never personally experienced the difference though (as I suspect is the case with 99.9% of the members who say RIP is a waste) you don't really have the answers I was after... Thanks, Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
550 Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 I asked for opinions from anyone who has used BOTH on the same car (with no other changes). Didn't ask for opinions on cost effectiveness, etc. No need to get upset, I'm not arguing with you. Again, I appreciate your help. If you've never personally experienced the difference though (as I suspect is the case with 99.9% of the members who say RIP is a waste) you don't really have the answers I was after... Thanks, Joe I'm not upset. And my post after that is proof of that. I just hate seeing people waste money on something that won't do anything. (But you admitted you are after the look... I even said I respect it) I have been through hell and back with my car. There is a few posts around on it. I've seen a little bit of what works and what doesn't. I have been around a little while too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowvo Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Dude fmic will be most beneficial especially down the road if you plan on getting some serious boost. Increased performance and efficiency with a little bit of DIY work, well worth it in my opinion.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loudatom Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Just the fact that you can do a FMIC for LESS than a RIP kit, should steer you in that direction. I'm confused on what it is about the "RIP look" that you don't get with a FMIC. Plus with a front mount, you're getting rid of the crappy stock intercooler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
550 Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 That's what I was trying to say. Its not any harder and the benefits are worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jschaefer7406 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 I should have known I wouldn't get anything here. I appreciate the fact that you guys are trying to help, but I have stated several times that I have no interest in a FMIC. I go back to my original question (which obviously nobody read). Has anyone here actually installed a RIP kit with no other modifications and can attest to the "lack of a difference"? I have a feeling everyone here is suggesting a FMIC and knocking the RIP, but how many have actually tried it? Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
550 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 All it does is change the pipe routing. There is no voodoo magic behind it. You won't notice any throttle response difference and if you do its all in your head anyways. Its a turbo it forces the air through the pipes. A foot less of pipe won't make a difference, the couple of inches you save by doing the rip won't get you anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jschaefer7406 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 A foot less of pipe won't make a difference, the couple of inches you save by doing the rip won't get you anything. Agreed...but physics alone tells you that warm air rises and that the air at the top of the intercooler will be much warmer than at the bottom. I am thinking of more efficient cooling of the charge air, not less distance to travel. Again I say that, if the air were no cooler with a RIP setup, then why so many problems with iced throttle plates in the early cars (prompting the recall). Again, I appreciate your looking out for me and my checkbook. Don't understand though why most here would rather share what THEY would do instead of answering a question that I (and the OP and many others ) have asked... Thanks, Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
550 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 Like I said, I have been around a little while. I have seen people do mods that are worthless. (I have done some myself). When you have forced air in any situation you won't get a hot air up top/ cold air at bottom. Regardless you are taking a (hopefully) leak free system and forcing air through it. (15 pounds to be exact) So yes, hot air WILL rise, no doubt. But forced air will be pushing that air around ... it doesn't matter where it's at, atleast until you snap that throttle shut, its all going into the TB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEU Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 I trust the word of Jan Woth an ex-Volvo engine and powertrain engineer for 20+ that worked on projects like the S60RR (and the maker of Joes tune). This is what he has to say about performance on a RIP, Woth R Line. If some can provide some facts that the RIP doesn't work this discussion would be over and never come up again. Everyone just repeat the same thing with zero proof. And for wasting money, I figure less then $80 in pipes if I recycle your old hoses and clamps. I won't be "hacking" mine, I'll test it out on my old rubber hoses first, then I'll be slicing them with precision. Remember these are ME7 hoses, 3 out of the 4 hose could be reused, easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
550 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 Does Jan also recommend the ridiculously inefficient stock intercooler? Not to mention he doesn't PROVE anything. He simply states it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEU Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 Ok dude you know everything. Can you point me to the proof? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
550 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 Can you point me to the proof? Honestly think about it man. You are saving yourself maybe 1 foot of complete over all piping. (That's very gracious as well) All over the use on a bad core. Ok... so with that said. I have NOT seen dyno numbers at all. But I haven't seen anyone say "GEE thankgod I put that RIP kit in, instead of replacing the useless intercooler, on the car, that is covered by a AC condensor anyways." Now for 80 bucks go for it. But what are you looking to gain from it? Lets put it this way. I have a 242 as well, it was non-intercooled turbo setup when I got it. It had pretty good response because the pipe was about a foot long from TB to turbo. Tires ripped out real easy from a dead stop, with out even trying. So I threw in a 3 inch NPR intercooler (27 row, about 24 inches tall) core into it because obviously non-intercooled turbo setups are a time bomb. Guess what I noticed... not much of a difference. Very minimal lag time due to the increased amount of piping, and most of the lag you may be feeling is because you now have a giant core to also fill with air in the middle of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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