Figawi Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 I had to replace my timing belt due to a leaking cam seal. Have the new belt on and am trying to get the timing right, but the variable valves are causing me problems. I was told by Volvo that there is a Variable Valve Timing tool that I can order but it will take 5 days to come in. Does anyone know if 1) I can get the timing right without this tool and 2) if the answer is no, does anyone have one I can pay to borrow. I will pay FedEx shipping both ways. Car is a 2004 V70 2.5T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihatespeedbumps Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 How in the world did you remove the VVT hub to replace the cam seal if you didn't have the tool to begin with? :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figawi Posted April 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 I wasn't the one who replaced it. I have a friend who is a ASE tech who did the replacement. Just so happens he initially overlooked the fact the this model has variable valves. I am trying to get my car back as quickly as possible given the situation I am in. I'm not stupid enough to replace it myself and was confident in my techs abilities seeing as he's performed flawless work on my car in the past. That being said, any tips you have on how I can get the thing timed without the VVT tool I'd appreciate it. He does have some sort of timing tool that for some reason doesn't work seamlessly with variable valves. He told me that he's timed cars from 2000-2005 with this tool. Maybe I'm not getting all of the information from him that I need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihatespeedbumps Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Maybe I'm not getting all of the information I'm not getting all the information. How did he get the CVVT hub off without a cam locking tool? Edit: it's pretty hard to overlook a big ass hub that doesn't look like a regular cam gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figawi Posted April 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 I'm not getting all the information. How did he get the CVVT hub off without a cam locking tool? Edit: it's pretty hard to overlook a big ass hub that doesn't look like a regular cam gear. Sorry, I wish I could be more helpful in providing more detail about the situation. All I know is that he said he needs this tool #9995452 in order to get the timing right. I guess he had all of the other tools he needed. So I am either trying to find that tool without having to wait a week to get it from the dealer or find a way to fix the problem it without the tool. I'm much to busy with work to have to be dealing with this problem right now and I am still trying to figure why I am the one chasing down the part. It doesn't help that I had the timing belt and cam seals replaced 20,000 miles ago only to have the seals fail prematurely. Pretty much ready to junk the car if I can't get this resolved. *end rant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihatespeedbumps Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Did the same mechanic replace the seals 20k ago? If so, how did he do it then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figawi Posted April 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Did the same mechanic replace the seals 20k ago? If so, how did he do it then? It was a different mechanic and different service center.Here is what my existing mechanic just emailed me. Maybe some of the info here will be helpful. Thanks for the info, I do understand the exact procedure of timing the motor. It is imperative to have the holding tool becuase of th great amount of torque applied to the variable timing units fasteners. There is no way to hold the cams tight and in sync. Normally a tool can be made but because you have to hold these from the rear and they are recessed the tool is needed. I do know how to make shift the motors with only a variable on the exhuast but your engine utilizes a variable on both the intake and exhaust cams. If you can get your hands on the tool from the frst pdf files you sent me we are golden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihatespeedbumps Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Has he already removed the CVVT hubs? He is correct about the torque needed for the center bolt, it's about 84 ft lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figawi Posted April 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Has he already removed the CVVT hubs? He is correct about the torque needed for the center bolt, it's about 84 ft lbs. I don't know if he's removed the CVVT hubs. I'll ask him in the morning. If he has, what does that mean? As far as I know, the car is all put back together except for the timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figawi Posted April 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 I'm just going to have it towed to a Volvo specialist and have them rip it apart and start over. Seems to be the safest and most cost effective solution at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oreo931 Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 I don't know if he's removed the CVVT hubs. I'll ask him in the morning. If he has, what does that mean? As far as I know, the car is all put back together except for the timing. Did he remove the CVVT hubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mune237 Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 you can make a cam holding tool out of 1/4 angle iron (but the thicker the better) and some 3/16 flats to fit inside the rear slots in the cams. There are some pics here somewhere. I just performed this task (R&R the front cam seals too) with my homemade tool. I also used my adjustable cam gear lock tool to help hold things when loosening and tightening some of the bolts, especially the VVT Hub bolt. I wouldn't call your mech a ASE Tech, there a ton of cars out there now with VVT, and he should've saw that before he took off the timing belt....duh I also have a pdf of the Volvo Tech sheet for this job, if needed. just remembered, Justin aka ChilledMan has the complete tool kit, unless someone else is using it. Contact him. He's fairly close to RI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figawi Posted April 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2010 Got the car back from the new volvo tech and he told me he was able to get the timing perfectly. I drove the car home (it drove perfectly) and went to start it up this morning and the CEL came on. The code is P0017. I didn't have a CEL before I had the Front Cam Seals, Timing Belt, and Breather Box replaced and now I do. Since the shop is closed today, I was wondering if anyone knew why this code would be on now. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oreo931 Posted April 24, 2010 Report Share Posted April 24, 2010 cam/crank misalignment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figawi Posted April 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2010 Could it be a bad cam position sensor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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