Fastest Fwd

[Nebor]

oh god.... Joe is refraining... thats horrible.

stuff, lets just look at some production cars:

SL65AMG: Runs mid 11's off the showroom floor. Theres an uncomfortable, loud, stiff car.. very unstreetable. Oh wait... its none of those things? Wait, it has a folding hardtop? Wait it makes womens clothes fly off... oh it doesn't? 2/3 aint bad I guess.

Ferrari F430. Its quick, its low, its loud who cares? You could drive it to mcdonalds and pork out if you wanted to just as easy.

Quicker than 10's is starting to push it a bit... but 11's? Come on

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You know darn well there's a difference between cars designed for those times, and cars made to run those times. I thought of the very car you mentioned (the Merc) when I made my post, but I decided I wouldn't add in that little qualifier.

[EricF]

Of all the dumb statements in this thread, this one takes the cake.

I'm not even going to try to make you look stupid. I feel sorry for you already.

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Yeah, I think FWD cars can be streetable quite a bit faster than 12s... And RWD or AWD is even better. 8-9 second daily driven DSMs? What?

[JHEIII874T5M]

boost controllers can make cars go from 8 seconds to 14 seconds rather quickly :)

[Guest DougK]

You know darn well there's a difference between cars designed for those times, and cars made to run those times. I thought of the very car you mentioned (the Merc) when I made my post, but I decided I wouldn't add in that little qualifier.

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Then I'll let Joe chime in. Hell... there was a thread just like this on SS. Joe has quite a few neighbors with perfectly streetable cars that are much faster than 12.0

[Nebor]

Then I'll let Joe chime in. Hell... there was a thread just like this on SS. Joe has quite a few neighbors with perfectly streetable cars that are much faster than 12.0

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... you already named a few. I'm aware there are at least 10 production cars capable of that kind of acceleration.

[Guest DougK]

No, not all of joe's neighbors have cars that were originally that fast.

The quickest I've seen was Treynor's blown yellow viper.

[J0E]

A buddy of mine, Chris, summed it up the best: "You begin to lose streetability once you are running quicker than 7.50s. At that point, you just need too many bars in your cage."

He drives a '67 Mustang which runs a 10.05 @ 134, driven to the track on the same tires he run on, AC blowing cold with power-operated windows for the occasional breeze, a nice sounding stereo, and getting 20 MPH at the same time.

How fast a car is in relation to streetability is dependent on too many factors to list here. Obviously, the engine setup is what will make or break the streetability of the car. A 9-second naturally aspirated Civic will be as streetable as John Force's funny car on a bad day. The idle and powerband that goes along with a ~2.0 liter naturally aspirated motor which makes enough power to propel the car into the 9s will be absurd, not to mention the fuel necessary. But a 9-second Lingenfelter 427TT Z06 is quite literally as driveable on a day-to-day basis as a bone stock Corvette. No joke. To throw a blanket statement over the streetability of cars running quicker than a certain E.T. would only come from someone as dumb as Nebor.

Just last Wednesday, Chad Williams shattered most standing records in the Viper community as well as the entire world: World's quickest and fastest clutch-shifted manual car, world's quickest and fastest boost-only car (no nitrous), world's quickest and fastest street-driven Viper. It ran an 8.88 @ 164 MPH that day, and has since run 8.75 @ 168 MPH. How streetable is it? Very, to say the least. It still is a full-weight street-car with a huge custom stereo system.

Around here, it's not rare, nor is it anything worth ogling over to see a 9-second car driving on the street using the same tires and fuel as was when it made a single-digit pass at the track. When an 8-second car is out-and-about, then you see a crowd forrming around it. A video of a friend's GN that runs 8.04 @ 175 MPH pulling the chute on the freeway is in the works.

There are quite a few factory cars in the 11s, nowadays. By factory cars, I mean bone stock regarding anything that will effect the acceleration of the car, from the paper air-filter to tires. Viper SRT-10, Z06, SL65, SL600, SLR, Enzo, GT2, Carrera GT, Murcielago, and Ford GT, just off the top of my head. Anyone who says that a car driven off the showroom floor is not streetable is absurd.

Generally speaking, looking at different setups possible to run 9s, for example, here is how it breaks down: Big displacement (V8s and V10s) + forced induction = very streetable. You only need a mildly aggressive cam, plus you have a very wide power-band. Big displacement naturally aspirated = significantly less streetable. A cam necessary to make enough power will be wild, so you can kiss your idle or low-end driveability goodbye...but it can still be done. Small displacement + forced induction = barely streetable. A power-band so narrow will just be worthless on the street. Small displacement naturally aspirated = forget about the car seeing a public road. Note that I'm just making general comparisons on different setups all theoretically just as fast, with varying streetability. I just touched on the gist of it. I already wrote enough and I'm not going to write more, so take it for what it's worth.

[kenny84242ti]

I think Joe pretty much sums it up- the only other factor I'd add in with the displacement and forced induction aiding streetability is variable valve timing. A lot of the quick, even NA hondas out there are starting to have a have a better torque spread than meets the eye since AEM and especially hondata let you completely re-curve the valve timing/vtec actuation. So a small displacement+forced induction scenario gets closer to "streetable" than "barely streetable" and the small diplacement+NA gets closer to "barely streetable"

Big potential in terms of broadening useable powerband via the VVT stuff.

Cars like those he listed really put a guy in his place! :ph34r:

[EricF]

Cheap, Fast, Reliable...

I think you can take two of these to the extreme if you totally neglect the last one. It's a balancing act :)

[Swedish Mike]

My fastest FWD car ran 5.53 sec in 0-100 km/h.

A 850 Turbo-95 with R-tires, LSD and a 330hp-kit, two guys in the car just to get a witness.

After that I´ve driven faster cars but not my own.

A funny thing about this is that the car ran steady 6.5 sec if I started on 2:nd gear, 6000 rpm and a lot of clutch-work.

/Mike

[volflo]

My fastest FWD car ran 5.53 sec in 0-100 km/h.

A 850 Turbo-95 with R-tires, LSD and a 330hp-kit, two guys in the car just to get a witness.

After that I´ve driven faster cars but not my own. 

A funny thing about this is that the car ran steady 6.5 sec if I started on 2:nd gear, 6000 rpm and a lot of clutch-work. 

/Mike

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i am really curious to see how my car works out 0 100 next year.

With an approx 1100 kgs i am likely to see 5 secs by next april.....

i handstopped a few times but that was back with 1340 kgs,the 16t, 245 falken and two people. it worked to be around 5.3 secs zhose days.

i am really courious if i am able to break the 5 secs "sound" barrier with normal tires (if you can call the parada spec2 as such)

5 secs would be really fast for a FWD car.

[BenW]

The thing is Swedish Mike, and Volflo, you are talking about modified cars. Not FWD cars that drove out of the dealer and did 5 seconds 0-100km.

[InlineTurbo]

Compared to stock lower-end BMW and Mercedes sedans, Saabs, and A4s which your S70 was placed in the market against, it's a beast. But on the big scheme of things, looking at cars which actually ARE considered "fast"...no.

Am I speaking a language that only Doug understands? 

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Joe hit it right on the head there. Compared to other cars in its class the S70 is a performance bargain with decent gas mileage and reliability thrown in. Compared to a true sports car they are chump change without a lot of mods. Even with a lot of mods really. Though they do have awesome top end. Granted we can smoke lots of sports cars from the 80s, but what decent 4 door sedan by Honda, Nissan, ect. can't nowadays?

We have an edge though in already having a turbo. A few K in mods will get our cars going pretty fast. Not super fast, but fast enough for a comfy daily driver that can hang with about 90% of the cars out there that are stock.

[Swedish Mike]

The thing is Swedish Mike, and Volflo, you are talking about modified cars.  Not FWD cars that drove out of the dealer and did 5 seconds 0-100km.

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Jupp, sorry.

/Mike

[Guest C70VolvoKid]

RSX Type-S are so overated they are slow!

They should be called type SLOW! Its just another 4 banger V-tech stuff.

I annihilated one the other night and this one was quite built. It had intake, exhaust, header, CF hood, clutch and some more stuff I don't quite remember.