f1fanoly Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Thanks to all who walked me through my last post concerning the timing mark issues and cam timing being off on the junkyard engine.I do have compression in all cyls,so my fears about valve damage has been eliminated.There is a new problem i've discovered in the course of looking this over with a fine tooth comb.When i recieved the motor from the dismantler it had various things taped over(turbo inlet,various hose ends,oil cooler outlet etc).I didnt at the time pay any attention to the oil filler also taped over,thinking at the time for whatever reason the oil cap was gone.What i've found is the metal sleeve thats pressed into the upper portion of the cyl head that the oil filler cap tightenes on to has,for whatever reason, been dislodged and is floating loosly in the opening it was once pressed into(from the inside).WTF? These guys were either really careless when disassembling the wreck,or it happened in the wreck.I dont want to remove the upper half of the head to have pressed back in,I figure if I can get it up out of the way of #3 intake cam lobes any oil sealing issues I could probably remedy with some JB weld or something.Any ideas on pulling it back up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oreo931 Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Any chance you can return the engine? The cam cover is mated to the head, so if you wanted to replace the cam cover you would most likely need a new head. Reason I suggest that is because your solution sounds very ghetto. My only other thought is to have it welded somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1fanoly Posted June 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Any chance you can return the engine? The cam cover is mated to the head, so if you wanted to replace the cam cover you would most likely need a new head. Reason I suggest that is because your solution sounds very ghetto. My only other thought is to have it welded somehow. Yes,I know it sounds ghetto,and I almost wrote that in o/p.This is an 80k t5 motor,my car is a 180k glt,I want this motor.I have in my posession all new seals,w/pump,t/belt,pulleys,pcv kit and tune up parts etc. to do this swap correctly.I think I can deal with the ghetto factor of my oil sealing issue if I can figure out how to pull the oil filler sleeve back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troyhyde Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 I'm guessing it will be a pain to return the engine. This seems kind of suspect to me. Someone would have had to really bash the heck out of the filler neck to crush it in. Doesn't sound like a very class removal job on the part of the junkyard. If they can't pull an engine without stupidity damage, no telling if they are even truthful with the 80k statement. Actually, don't even get hung up on the 80k part, I compression tested several junkyard engines before picking one, mileage didn't have much correlation to the health of the engine. Obviously, if the engine had 20k on it it would probably be fresh. By the time you're up to 75k or better, maintenance is coming into play pretty strongly. To repair properly you'll have to pull the cap and cams. If you want to be a hero, this could just be an opportunity to put in an NA intake cam for better air induction. Going ghetto always ends up badly unless you are selling the car in 5 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64pvolvo1800 Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Yes,I know it sounds ghetto,and I almost wrote that in o/p.This is an 80k t5 motor,my car is a 180k glt,I want this motor.I have in my posession all new seals,w/pump,t/belt,pulleys,pcv kit and tune up parts etc. to do this swap correctly.I think I can deal with the ghetto factor of my oil sealing issue if I can figure out how to pull the oil filler sleeve back up. You will never get it right without doing it right. You will always know its there and regret it! Either do it right or take it back. It will hound you forever and as the poster above mentioned, you cant trust yayhoos who damage this on removal and 80k is already subject to maintenance issues depending on history, and that, you dont have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcone Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 JB weld won't hold, trust me on that one. You won't be able to take the motor back now. If I were you, i'd pop the cam cover off. Its actually really easy, just a bunch of 10mm bolts to remove. Then either put a new neck on it, but I have a feeling you won't be able to, so get another cam cover and install it. It might sound intimidating, but its not. Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64pvolvo1800 Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 JB weld won't hold, trust me on that one. You won't be able to take the motor back now. If I were you, i'd pop the cam cover off. Its actually really easy, just a bunch of 10mm bolts to remove. Then either put a new neck on it, but I have a feeling you won't be able to, so get another cam cover and install it. It might sound intimidating, but its not. Good luck I thought the cam cover and head were mated pairs? No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oreo931 Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 I thought the cam cover and head were mated pairs? No? yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1fanoly Posted June 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 You will never get it right without doing it right. You will always know its there and regret it! Either do it right or take it back. It will hound you forever and as the poster above mentioned, you cant trust yayhoos who damage this on removal and 80k is already subject to maintenance issues depending on history, and that, you dont have. I do have history,1 owner,no accidents,until it was totalled.Dealer maintained throught its life and everything done until it was wrecked.I have all documentation on services and mileages and it all jives(carfax,dealer records,and I know the owner of the junkyard) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bum2kev Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 the oil filler port is removable. you just need to pop it back in...it may or may not require taking the cam cover off. a few people have put 2 oil ports on their cars... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsterns Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 I have a spare head sitting around so I took a couple of shots, don't know if it will help you with your decision or not. Head and cam cover are matched sets and are not interchangeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1fanoly Posted June 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 the oil filler port is removable. you just need to pop it back in...it may or may not require taking the cam cover off. a few people have put 2 oil ports on their cars... Does it go in from the top or is it pressed in from the back(underside)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihatespeedbumps Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 the oil filler port is removable. you just need to pop it back in...it may or may not require taking the cam cover off. a few people have put 2 oil ports on their cars... I was thinking this... No personal experience though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troyhyde Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Not to rain on your parade but I see no correlation between dealer maintained low miles engine = fresh problem free machine. You are making some assumptions. Like I said, I looked through several T5 engines at the yard before finding one that looked respectable via compression test. I think the one I bought was actually a higher mileage engine than the others, go figure. It had good compression and was very even across the cylinders. Couldn't say the same for the others. That said, these are well engineered engines and sitting in a yard can make them look worse than they are after running in a few thousand miles. If you weren't so far away I'd offer up a 2.4L block I've got taking up space in the garage. Peanuts would buy it and it is as fresh as they get....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcone Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 I thought the cam cover and head were mated pairs? No? No. yes You're wrong. You're either ill-informed, have never actually tried it, or are being an as$hole. I am running a 97 n/a cam cover on my 94 turbo head, on a 97 turbo block. No problems. Just put a cam cover on from a different car into a buds 960. So I know for a fact, because its in my car, my friends car, that they are not mated pairs. What sense would that make anyeway? Crack a cam cover changing cams or cam seals and you need to buy a whole new head? The filler necks i've removed come out from the back, meaning you need to take the cam cover off to remove the filler neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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