damitzmike Posted September 20, 2010 Report Share Posted September 20, 2010 I am in the process of getting a super 60g for my car but have a few questions first before I go threw with it. is it ok to run an ipd tcv with this turbo or do I need to go back to stock bcs? I have been using a tcv for 40k miles and haven't had a problem. second thing is what is the most but safest level of boost this turbo can handle and would it be wise to upgrade the injectors or will the orange be sufficient. I am planning on having speed tunning do the re-flash since im on a budget.will this be ok? after all this is my dd and do I need to consider using an ebc? what are your guys suggestion on the best possible setup with the super 60 any good success stories? what could I possibly expect too dyno with all supporting mods in my sig below Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NChoy Posted September 20, 2010 Report Share Posted September 20, 2010 I am in the process of getting a super 60g for my car but have a few questions first before I go threw with it. is it ok to run an ipd tcv with this turbo or do I need to go back to stock bcs? I have been using a tcv for 40k miles and haven't had a problem. second thing is what is the most but safest level of boost this turbo can handle and would it be wise to upgrade the injectors or will the orange be sufficient. I am planning on having speed tunning do the re-flash since im on a budget.will this be ok? after all this is my dd and do I need to consider using an ebc? what are your guys suggestion on the best possible setup with the super 60 any good success stories? what could I possibly expect too dyno with all supporting mods in my sig below The Super-60 flows about as much as a 19T, but much more efficiently, and without any spikes. So use that as your benchmark. You will definitely need bigger injectors, or at least an adjustable FPR so you can "fool" them into flowing a bit more. IPD TCV is okay... that's what I use now. If you have stock rods, watch your high-rev launches. Don't up the boost too high unless you want a forced rebuild... so in other words, don't go the EBC route until you get things sorted out at the lower boost levels. Highly recommend a good wideband so you can monitor AFR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damitzmike Posted September 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2010 well about the tcv im running it on a 850 which its not designed for the later models like yours is suppose to have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdlimy Posted September 20, 2010 Report Share Posted September 20, 2010 just make sure you are using a large angled outlet exhaust housing...right nick? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZT5 Posted September 20, 2010 Report Share Posted September 20, 2010 i'm guessing the other copy of this thread will get closed so i'll copy what i wrote there in here By super 60g i assume you mean a normal volvo td04hl with super 60 compressor wheel? the ipd hd tcv isnt supposed to work with m4.3, but in an m4.4 car its all around better/safer than stock because it reacts faster. I cant tell you what a safe level of boost is, it depends on tuning and condition of everything. High teens is the usual accepted limit around here for turbos of the 18T/19T size and the super 60 is just a little bigger than the 19T from what i've been told. whether oranges are sufficient for that turbo depends on what boost you are running. If you are using anything close to the full potential of this turbo you will need bigger injectors. if your keeping the boost low for whatever reason you can use your target afr, mass air flow, fuel pressure and injector size to calculate the duty cycle required at any given time to supply ample fuel. Or use instrumentation to actually watch your afrs and injector duty cycle while driving the car. If you ever need over 80% duty cycle to reach your target afr the injectors are inadequate. I dont know anything about the tune ST would use for a super 60 td04. if you dont trust them completely just make sure you watch out for the usual stuff like detonation, boost spikes and dangerous afr's and egt's nick, i was always under the impression that the spikeyness of the 19T was due to the very lopsided nature of the turbo (tiny hot side with a relatively large cold side) which would put the super 60 in the same boat. But if it really does spike less maybe I should look into a super 60. do you have a compressor map for the super 60 by chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCviggen Posted September 20, 2010 Report Share Posted September 20, 2010 The Super-60 flows about as much as a 19T, but much more efficiently, and without any spikes. Cant't say I agree. Swapping a 19t wheel to a super 60 is an exercise in futility and time that could be spent better. If you mess around with turbos get something bigger. I also do not see the superior efficiency. And a 19t can be controlled perfectly well, better with an EBC however so I would do that over letting the BCS have a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbor850 Posted September 20, 2010 Report Share Posted September 20, 2010 Whats a Super 60G ? Is that a Super 20G X 3 ?!?!?! Super 60 precautions should be the same as working with a 19T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NChoy Posted September 24, 2010 Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 just make sure you are using a large angled outlet exhaust housing...right nick? Dude... I swear, you're killin' me here... :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdlimy Posted September 24, 2010 Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 Dude... I swear, you're killin' me here... i just hate to see all the work and money in such a gorgeous car and no numbers to back it up! pull that driveshaft, get everything ready and bring it to my work and have my boss tune it ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NChoy Posted September 24, 2010 Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 bring it to my work and have my boss tune it Oh? Talk to me Goose! And Rye... I'm working on getting the compressor maps from Herman at Cherry Turbos (he built my Super-60). I thought he sent them to me, but I can't find them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdlimy Posted September 24, 2010 Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 Oh? Talk to me Goose! And Rye... I'm working on getting the compressor maps from Herman at Cherry Turbos (he built my Super-60). I thought he sent them to me, but I can't find them. Wellll we have a dynojet, he tunes pretty much anything and is amazing at it, mainly turbo hondas, he tuned my car on many different setups, currently running an 01 LPT motor with a 15g making 282whp and 352 ftlb...conservatively.shoot me a pm and let me know what your specs are and goals and also what you have to datalog/tune with and i can let you know what we can do with it. ill be in Cali for the next week but sometime after that we could definitely get it in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NChoy Posted September 24, 2010 Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 shoot me a pm and let me know what your specs are and goals and also what you have to datalog/tune with and i can let you know what we can do with it. ill be in Cali for the next week but sometime after that we could definitely get it in! You have PM. And now I totally feel guilty about jacking this thread... :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NChoy Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 Here's the compressor map for the Super-60 (otherwise known as the "Stuffed-60") sent to me by Herman at Cherry Turbos... the guy who built my hybrid Super-60 turbo. And here's what he said about the Super-60, which is similar to the Garrett Stuffed-60, as compared to the 19T: Here's the map. It is however not how the wheel behaves in the mitsu housing. The diffuser area I machined is much different than the Garrett and I also lightened the back of the wheel on yours. The wheel is loaded differently than when it's assembled as a Garrett. The only way I know it flows more is that one customer had both turbos on the same car. A 19T stock turbo and a stuffed 60 (similar to the 16T Super-60) modified by me. The Garrett hybrid made more torque across a broader range than the 19T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theForgottenone Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 Main important thing about these hybrid Turbo is the tune. Don't let them have high boost at low rpm. I built boost around 2200rpm and i have pretty much instant boost. I'm using ipd bcs that I made. In addition Marco did the tune in my car. I'm not sure if speed tuning can provide the real road driving tuning on the fly to control boost spike. Definitely upgrade your injectors if you can.Oh yeah my Max Boston is 17-18 psi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NChoy Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 Main important thing about these hybrid Turbo is the tune. Couldn't agree more. Don't let them have high boost at low rpm. Gradual boost build is always best unless you're running a 9-second turbo dragster I built boost around 2200rpm and i have pretty much instant boost. Don't forget that this "tune" has a lot to do with your torque curve and where your motor's "sweet spot" is (cam, ignition, etcl all play an integral role in this "spot"). Getting the turbo to play nicely with all these variables is the $64,000 question... I'm using ipd bcs that I made. In addition Marco did the tune in my car. I'm not sure if speed tuning can provide the real road driving tuning on the fly to control boost spike. Any way to do live datalogging? You have the stage-III right? At least log what's going on, then fine tune based on the feedback you're seeing on the chart using the RPM cycles as the reference points. Definitely upgrade your injectors if you can. Can't state this enough. Oh yeah my Max Boston is 17-18 psi I like Boston too... great town, and even better rock band. You going to Griot's on Sunday? If so, I'll see you then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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