BlackT5 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 That's messed up if indeed all QBM tools are that inaccurate. I want my money back What is the price on the IPD unit or is it known yet? I want to compare settings for myself and see where I'm at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilber33 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Tool looks amazing. Please let me know when they are available for purchase! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorqueSteer Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Please do share what your magical numbers were. Obviously we have very different setups but I'm just curious what worked well for you. I kind of feel like any benefit the NA cams should be giving me is negated by the excess overlap. I can't tell you anything accurate, unfortunately. I had reinstalled the sprockets on the cams and set everything back to dead zero. I did some adjustments, and didn't write anything down. Now I can't remember for the life of me what I did, sorry. I remember consulting these threads, if that will help you http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/index.php/topic/22309-dohc-timing-theory/ http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/index.php/topic/22357-impressions-of-glt-cams-round-2/ http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/index.php/topic/34735-attempted-the-na-cam-swap-today-it-didnt-quite-go-as-planned/ With the td05-super16g and tuned in NA cams, the powerband is very high, and the NA cams were definitely responsible for injecting a ton of power between 5000-6000 rpm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98t5M Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 I can't tell you anything accurate, unfortunately. I had reinstalled the sprockets on the cams and set everything back to dead zero. I did some adjustments, and didn't write anything down. Now I can't remember for the life of me what I did, sorry. I remember consulting these threads, if that will help you http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/index.php/topic/22309-dohc-timing-theory/ http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/index.php/topic/22357-impressions-of-glt-cams-round-2/ http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/index.php/topic/34735-attempted-the-na-cam-swap-today-it-didnt-quite-go-as-planned/ With the td05-super16g and tuned in NA cams, the powerband is very high, and the NA cams were definitely responsible for injecting a ton of power between 5000-6000 rpm. Thanks for the links! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the commissar! Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Whats going to be REALLY interesting is to see what all the guys thought they had with the OBM or other compared to the IPD CTT. Well I got the test unit in the mail last night. Not sure when I'll get a chance to play with it but my first impression was that it is finely precision crafted (except the vinyl letters LOL)! But it is my understanding that that is NOT what the production models will look like so... I thought from the picture the degree marks were etched on the surface but they are actually cut all the way through. The good of this is you will never wear them off like painted ones on a QBM. If you are extremely careless and drop the tool on something hard, like my garage floor, you could bend those little fingers if you are unlucky enough to have it land exactly on the scale marks. I have no question that simply because of play my current adjustments will be off from the +4E +3I that I think they are set at (translation, + = advance)...That is on stock T5 cams even though I have two different sets of NA cams waiting on install, I'm enjoying driving the car for now! More later with pics and comparisons on my benched engine :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
div4scpro Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Got my cam timing tool from Lucky and WOW!. Even if I don't get the cam timing set the way I want it won't be the tools fault. There is no confusion about how to mount to either cam, the cut notches are precise and easy to see. There is no play or slop in how the wheel mounts up so no excuse for not getting settings to the nearest fraction of a degree. Anyone even just doing a belt change should get one of these, so much more precise than the notches on the cover, don't even need those now! Turbo people leave the page now because you'll be bored. For those NA's out there what I found was that my original settings were 1.5 advanced on the intake and 1.5 retarded on the exhaust. Since NA's need the overlap for scavenging and my main goal was to lower my powerband a bit I changed to 3 advanced on the intake and 0 on the exhaust. No dynos's around here so will have to try to use my butt and maybe my scangauge II features to see what happens. If this tool goes into production you better buy two because your friend is going to steal one of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcone Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 As long as its as accurate as the one I had made, i'll take a couple. Had one made for myself since my car and cams are retarded. I had a qbm to begin with, and as many have found out, its pretty innacurate, like having sex with a fatty without putting flour on the wet spot. I only have one, and if yours are resonably priced,i'd have no problem picking up a couple more. And thanks Lucky/IPD for doing things like this,its much appreciated by the entire community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the commissar! Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 :D WOW...I finally got to try this little gem out last night. The two small holes each measured almost 1mm smaller in diameter on the IPD version compared to the QBM. The cam gear bolts are a perfect fit and alignment to them on the motor is great. The result is there is virtually NO play in the holes. Greater accuracy FTW! The QBM is significantly thicker than the IPD version but they seem to be similar weight...I didn't actually weigh them but the material is clearly different...maybe QBM is aluminum vs steel on the IPD? I guess I'll have to hijack my wife's digital kitchen scale get out a magnet and report back...To be continued when I reset the cam timing on the motor I'm running in the car...and see what I'm REALLY set at... EDIT: It would be nice if the scale accommodated the full range of +/- 7.5 (IE 8) instead of +/-6 QBM along side IPD. I like the lack of the center bolt on the IPD. I find it easier to adjust using a long prise bar or screwdriver and that gets in the way. Scale comparison...I wonder how long that pretty paint and glue will last on the QBM? Just for fun...The "group buy" model compared to QBM. It will definitely do the job and addresses some of my concerns with the QBM but, I like the IPD best. Well I got the test unit in the mail last night. Not sure when I'll get a chance to play with it but my first impression was that it is finely precision crafted (except the vinyl letters LOL)! But it is my understanding that that is NOT what the production models will look like so... I thought from the picture the degree marks were etched on the surface but they are actually cut all the way through. The good of this is you will never wear them off like painted ones on a QBM. If you are extremely careless and drop the tool on something hard, like my garage floor, you could bend those little fingers if you are unlucky enough to have it land exactly on the scale marks. I have no question that simply because of play my current adjustments will be off from the +4E +3I that I think they are set at (translation, + = advance)...That is on stock T5 cams even though I have two different sets of NA cams waiting on install, I'm enjoying driving the car for now! More later with pics and comparisons on my benched engine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipd Posted January 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Thanks guys, I'll take it that this is worth pursuing. I'll make the final few changes and then get quotes for production! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellas850 T-5 Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 You should manufacture them yes!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the commissar! Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 OK....At the urging of another VS member, I got them both on my bench motor to compare how the two tools readings compare... I set the crank to zero as if doing a timing belt and confirmed my two cam marks landed where they were supposed to, in the notches of the cover. With my IPD cam locking tool in place to prevent any movement...I put each of the two tools on each of the cams... Results: Intake QBM read 1.5 advanced Intake IPD read 1.5 advanced Dead on... Exhaust QBM read 3.5 advanced Exhaust IPD read 2.25retarded A difference of nearly 6 degrees. Note: the observed play in the QBM tool is about 2 degrees so I used it in the middle so those #'s could be +/- 1 degree. I wanted to report in as soon as I discovered this...pics to document everything were taken but the numbers speak for themselves... I am about to go put the IPD tool on my running motor to see what happens... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookforjoe Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Results: Intake QBM read 1.5 advanced Intake IPD read 1.5 advanced Dead on... Exhaust QBM read 3.5 advanced Exhaust IPD read 2.25retarded A difference of nearly 6 degrees. Note: the observed play in the QBM tool is about 2 degrees so I used it in the middle so those #'s could be +/- 1 degree. This matches my findings In This Thread In my case, the car runs better with the retarded exhaust as it was - due to the larger turbo, so even though the timing wasn't where I expected it - it was good :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prezman26 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Wish i had one of those when my car went crazy earlier this month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt b Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Thanks guys, I'll take it that this is worth pursuing. I'll make the final few changes and then get quotes for production! And this is why I love IPD. Thanks Lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackT5 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 So why the difference? Can we be 100% sure that the IPD tool is indeed the tool that's accurate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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