Why Pegs Suck.....

[DevolvR]

Do you read or think before you reply? I said it has nothing to do with where they are made. It has to be with the BBS everyone hangs off of is not longer around. QCQA is not what it once was.

Oh really? So you work there and know all the QCQA procedures and know that they make inferior products now compared to 5 years ago. Right!

Let not buy any BBS products because Che(his opinions are godly) is saying they suck. So Polestar made a wrong move there by putting on BBS FIs on their C30 PCP...

one of the first pictures that comes up when you search Volvo + Pegasus:

hint: it's an S60R.

And those are replicas.

[Che'_Moderator]

Just to make things clear, not all Casy wheels are crap.

It is the cheapest, weakest way to make a wheel....

There's also a method of casting called Flow Form Casting(Spun Rim or Rim Rolling) that can get to Forged wheel like strengths. M

Thats marketing crap BBS made up. Its actually called shear forming, and you can only shear form the hoop or lip. In none of the images posted by other members was the hoop the issue. Even if the hoops integrity comes into play, thats easier to fix with design than materials. IE more spokes.

More of Flow Forming on BBS's site:

http://www.bbs.com/e...ow-forming.html

Again. BBS marketing crap. I have a back ground in mechanical and have been involved with the design of several rims.

Any Peg replica wheel is garbage.

- It's a casted wheel (likely low pressure)

- they don't even look exactly the same as the real deal, look at: spokes edge, center PCD area, barrel angle, and the "R" logo

- they are just as heavy, if not, heavier than the OEM ones.

Other than the 19" Peg Reps, I don't know why people even bother buying the Peg reps, look for the real ones.

There is an asian company, I know how much you like asia, that makes a rotory forged peg knock off thats something like 16 pounds. Not insanely light but pretty much blows away every other point you made.

So are you implying that BBS makes crap wheels now? I have a hard time believing that. They may have moved their plants to Korea or China, but that doesn't mean that they are sacrificing quality.

In racing BBS has not done anything innovative in years. I am not even sure if they have changed their design at all, but if they have it as nothing innovative. If anything they went the other way then they stopped producing magnesium centers.

Oh .. Samsung is owned by Koreans (is there a market they are not in, and not doing well?) , Jaguar are owned by Indians (Tata Motors / Tata Group) and Volvo are own by China (Geely),

For the record I do consider all those companies crap currently. Ok not crap to be fair but none of those are high end companies.

I may be picking the wrong fight, as clearly you have the upper hand. But your words seem to speak just arrogance. Yeah, I have my head in my ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD.. Look who's talking?

Well that was almost something intelligent. But if you want to get right down to it, when talking to you why should I not be arrogant? Know your place son. (drops the mic)

[Burn-E]

Any Peg replica wheel is garbage.

- It's a casted wheel (likely low pressure)

- they don't even look exactly the same as the real deal, look at: spokes edge, center PCD area, barrel angle, and the "R" logo

- they are just as heavy, if not, heavier than the OEM ones.

Other than the 19" Peg Reps, I don't know why people even bother buying the Peg reps, look for the real ones.

Unlike the OEM Pegs (which are not load rated for XC90) the IPD replica pegs are specifically made with higher load rating to make them appropriate for use on the heavier Volvo models like XC90.

Huh...

As for your rant, WTF is your problem Alfred? :huh:

[Scootdiggity]

Its the problem with most companies these days, still banking on the name and cutting cost or corners on the end product, its just how business is they maximize their profits and screw the end user. When cheap aftermarket alternatives came into the market heavily, the companies that stood for quality had to compete somehow because price trumps quality in most peoples buying decisions.

[BtownVolvo]

So are you implying that BBS makes crap wheels now? I have a hard time believing that. They may have moved their plants to Korea or China, but that doesn't mean that they are sacrificing quality.

I completely don't understand your ignorance Che (just because you own this site, and you're moderator here), you are coming across like: It's made in China, it's crap.

Apple products are made in China, so is your computer that you are currently typing on, and practically every piece of technology or appliance in your home is made in there.

You're kinda stupid, aren't you.

Stop making generalizations for fucks sake.

[DevolvR]

Nothin is wrong. I never said that the IPD pegs weren't well made, and certainly not saying they aren't the right load rating. I was sayin exactly that, they are cast wheels, they don't look exactly like real pegs and still heavy. Am I wrong? They are similar, very similar, but not the identical. If you can't tell the difference I don't know what to say.

[gilber33]

Nothin is wrong. I never said that the IPD pegs weren't well made, and certainly not saying they aren't the right load rating. I was sayin exactly that, they are cast wheels, they don't look exactly like real pegs and still heavy. Am I wrong? They are similar, very similar, but not the identical. If you can't tell the difference I don't know what to say.

It's like you keep bringing up different irrelevant points every time the point your trying to make is proved incorrect, so you change your story, to try and prove something else.

I heard you liked to prove points, so we put a point in your points so you can prove your points whiling proving your points.

[flyfishing3]

Apple products are made in China, so is your computer that you are currently typing on, and practically every piece of technology or appliance in your home is made in there.

i'm putting this here to make a point that you do not fully know what you say. i've been saving this pic for a good Political thread but i'll drop it here.

here is an example of what you should of said.

Nothin is wrong. I never said that the IPD pegs weren't well made, and certainly not saying they aren't the right load rating. I was sayin exactly that, they are cast wheels, they don't look exactly like real pegs and still heavy. Am I wrong? They are similar, very similar, but not the identical. If you can't tell the difference I don't know what to say.

Any Peg replica wheel is garbage.

[DevolvR]

It's like you keep bringing up different irrelevant points every time the point your trying to make is proved incorrect, so you change your story, to try and prove something else.

I heard you liked to prove points, so we put a point in your points so you can prove your points whiling proving your points.

So what is my point? I don't think you clearly know what I'm saying.

I think Peg replicas aren't worth it(to me) as what I mentioned about them in prior posts, and I was saying that not all wheels that are cast are crap (against what Che is saying). Both completely different topics here and none that actually talk about the OEM Volvo ones. To be honest I could care less about points, so keep those negatives coming.

i'm putting this here to make a point that you do not fully know what you say. i've been saving this pic for a good Political thread but i'll drop it here.

Nice drop. Made in P.R.O.C = Taiwan?

Thanks, that's exactly my point. Cast wheels are not all poor designed or all weak, but my opinion about Peg reps still stands; garbage. Get the real ones, what's the point of replicas?

Secondly BBS still makes Magnesium wheels. http://www.bbs.com/en/motorsports/motorsport-wheels.html in our bolt pattern(ferrari), and of course you can always custom order them. So I don't see how you can generalize that BBS are now making sub par products.

You're kinda stupid, aren't you.

Stop making generalizations for pokes sake.

Was i? I didn't start the generalizations, someone else did and I rebutted.

Sorry. PROC = China, ROC = Taiwan. Same point though.

[Che'_Moderator]

Secondly BBS still makes Magnesium wheels. http://www.bbs.com/e...ort-wheels.html in our bolt pattern(ferrari), and of course you can always custom order them. So I don't see how you can generalize that BBS are now making sub par products.

I was told no, and I know a shop thats been waiting for over 14 months. Thats no to me. I said not innovative. Not sub-par. By 1997 standards BBS = OMGZORS

Lets put it this way RE cast being crap. I am going to its a scale from crap to OMGZORS with crap at the bottom. Cast are the cheapest weakest manufacturing method in modern wheels. Ipso facto is they are bottom of the scale, and the bottom of the scale is crap.....

Keep digging.

[exexpat]

I know you love BBS for whatever reason, but BBS has not been a financially stable company for years and went bankrupt in 2007. Their reputation for quality and innovation dates back to the 1970s and 1980s, but really is less relevant today and their products are not class-leading by any sense of the word in 2011. When a company is on life support, its R&D spend as a rule is extremely limited, hence producing a lack of innovation.

In short, modern BBS wheels suck, too.

[Ghost Shadow]

wtf did i start?

in my opinion. pegs still suck, although they look great on my ex-btcc...the oem atlantis wheels painted black is growing on me

[Che'_Moderator]

I know you love BBS for whatever reason, but BBS has not been a financially stable company for years and went bankrupt in 2007. Their reputation for quality and innovation dates back to the 1970s and 1980s, but really is less relevant today and their products are not class-leading by any sense of the word in 2011. When a company is on life support, its R&D spend as a rule is extremely limited, hence producing a lack of innovation.

In short, modern BBS wheels suck, too.

Don't make me +1 you twice in the same day.... goes against everything I believe in.

[DevolvR]

I was told no, and I know a shop thats been waiting for over 14 months. Thats no to me. I said not innovative. Not sub-par. By 1997 standards BBS = OMGZORS

Lets put it this way RE cast being crap. I am going to its a scale from crap to OMGZORS with crap at the bottom. Cast are the cheapest weakest manufacturing method in modern wheels. Ipso facto is they are bottom of the scale, and the bottom of the scale is crap.....

Keep digging.

I agree with the scale, as that is how you could rate wheels from a manufacturing standpoint at the most simple level.

But, aren't you forgetting other aspects as well? Design of the wheel, the exact alloy used in a cast or forged, the structural integrity of the design and exact purpose / load rating of the wheel. For a consumer vehicle and non-motorsport, a well designed cast wheel is more than enough.

Not everyone needs Magnesium Forged wheels to drive a city driven Volvo wagon, and 98% of Volvo owners have Cast(OEM and aftermarket) wheels. Does that mean we all drive crap? Thanks Che, I know what your point is and I'm not trying to prove any worth here

[Che'_Moderator]

I agree with the scale, as that is how you could rate wheels from a manufacturing standpoint at the most simple level.

But, aren't you forgetting other aspects as well? Design of the wheel, the exact alloy used in a cast or forged, the structural integrity of the design and exact purpose / load rating of the wheel. For a consumer vehicle and non-motorsport, a well designed cast wheel is more than enough.

Not everyone needs Magnesium Forged wheels to drive a city driven Volvo wagon, and 98% of Volvo owners have Cast(OEM and aftermarket) wheels. Does that mean we all drive crap? Thanks Che, I know what your point is and I'm not trying to prove any worth here

All my wheels are forged.... yes on all my street cars. And no the your earlier point. Allow in the wheels is all pretty much the same.