exexpat Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Don't make me +1 you twice in the same day.... goes against everything I believe in. Made my day But logic in some cases does prevail, just not with things like the market cap of AAPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevolvR Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 I know you love BBS for whatever reason, but BBS has not been a financially stable company for years and went bankrupt in 2007. Their reputation for quality and innovation dates back to the 1970s and 1980s, but really is less relevant today and their products are not class-leading by any sense of the word in 2011. When a company is on life support, its R&D spend as a rule is extremely limited, hence producing a lack of innovation. In short, modern BBS wheels suck, too. No, Jeremy, that's not what I'm saying. I agree that BBS are on a downslide, and no longer the same innovative company as they once were, but they are still very active in motorsports. Perhaps not the same level as before, but it still much better than some other companies out there. I had no idea that Magnesium Forged wheels have a 14-24 month wait, so perhaps a sign that the company is going to sputter to nothing in the near future, not that I really care though. I was more onto the topic that Che brought up that Cast = crap along with the BBS brand that this all got blown up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 No, Jeremy, that's not what I'm saying. I agree that BBS are on a downslide, and no longer the same innovative company as they once were, but they are still very active in motorsports. Perhaps not the same level as before, but it still much better than some other companies out there. I had no idea that Magnesium Forged wheels have a 14-24 month wait, so perhaps a sign that the company is going to sputter to nothing in the near future, not that I really care though. I was more onto the topic that Che brought up that Cast = crap along with the BBS brand that this all got blown up. In relation to strength cast = crap. No... cast is just crap as far as wheels in concerned. Its the cheapest softest way to make a wheel short of using mud and sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevolvR Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 All my wheels are forged.... yes on all my street cars. And no the your earlier point. Allow in the wheels is all pretty much the same. Good for you, not everyone can afford $10K wheels for their cars, and certainly not majority of your users on VS. So you're saying all grades of Aluminum alloy is the same between ie; el-cheapo Rota knockoff or worst Republic of China No Name brand wheels(RTX) and a properly made OEM Cast wheel(ronal/speedline/borbet)? What's the point of JWL, JWL-T, VIA, VWL, SAE, etc certifications? And are you saying that all cast aluminum alloys are the same softness? Your simply generalizing, Che. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 I agree that BBS are on a downslide, and no longer the same innovative company as they once were, but they are still very active in motorsports. Perhaps not the same level as before, but it still much better than some other companies out there. our simply generalizing, Che. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Good for you, not everyone can afford $10K wheels for their cars, and certainly not majority of your users on VS. So you're saying all grades of Aluminum alloy is the same between ie; el-cheapo Rota knockoff or worst Republic of China No Name brand wheels(RTX) and a properly made OEM Cast wheel(ronal/speedline/borbet)? What's the point of JWL, JWL-T, VIA, VWL, SAE, etc certifications? And are you saying that all cast aluminum alloys are the same softness? Your simply generalizing, Che. Alright, back for more? VWL, SAE, JWL have nothing at all to do with wheels. I mean you would have better off throwing out sigma 6 or iso. In the US it all comes down to DOT, and TORT. IE, are they legal for street use, and will they get us sued. Rims are almost always 6061-0 or 6061 T6. Why? Because its cheap and resists cracking. Of course its a generalization. I know some stupid company somewhere is using 7075, or something else stupid. But I am 99% sure BBS are all 6061 on their cast rims. As for 10k rims??? Magnesium maybe, but there are countless forged rims out there for under 400 dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exexpat Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 No, Jeremy, that's not what I'm saying. I agree that BBS are on a downslide, and no longer the same innovative company as they once were, but they are still very active in motorsports. Perhaps not the same level as before, but it still much better than some other companies out there. I had no idea that Magnesium Forged wheels have a 14-24 month wait, so perhaps a sign that the company is going to sputter to nothing in the near future, not that I really care though. I was more onto the topic that Che brought up that Cast = crap along with the BBS brand that this all got blown up. Comparatively I suppose like for like cast is crap, but to your point production price vs. performance (and customer expections) have led to cast being the norm and deemed adequate as you point out for most applications. I agree with you here in the same way I tend to poke holes in the large forum subculture of people who need to modify for their as if almost soley to benefit them on the track, although less than 5% actually visit the track during their vehicle ownership tenure. I disagree with assertions that every product from a particular geographic location is poor. There are so many factors that play into quality, that I won't even start to explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Comparatively I suppose like for like cast is crap, but to your point production price vs. performance (and customer expections) have led to cast being the norm and deemed adequate as you point out for most applications. I agree with you here in the same way I tend to poke holes in the large forum subculture of people who need to modify for their as if almost soley to benefit them on the track, although less than 5% actually visit the track during their vehicle ownership tenure. I disagree with assertions that every product from a particular geographic location is poor. There are so many factors that play into quality, that I won't even start to explain. Jeremy but what about FAA, DEA, or FICO? How do you explain that? Huh? Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevolvR Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Jeremy but what about FAA, DEA, or FICO? How do you explain that? Huh? Huh? very funny Anyway, show over? I think we're arguing for the sake of arguing, and we actually agree with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laird Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 P2R I really thought Pegs had been around longer than that. I still think Pegs are the new Pegs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laird Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Jeremy but what about FAA, DEA, or FICO? How do you explain that? Huh? Huh? Hey I have been working for the FAA for 23 years. Not cast. Actually not forged either.....composite, yeah that must be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevolvR Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 In the US it all comes down to DOT, and TORT. IE, are they legal for street use, and will they get us sued. Do they do integrity tests for the DOT and TORT certifications? As for 10k rims??? Magnesium maybe, but there are countless forged rims out there for under 400 dollars. Yeah, some forged are 10K. DPE, HRE, CCW can get close to that pricing depending on the size, and style obviously. Magnesium Forged which are more used in motorsports are at least 10K for a set. Care to share your source or info about the Forged Pegasus Replicas that you mentioned earlier? I'm pretty sure based on how much flak I'm getting about my opinion of Pegs(and reps) being overrated that they would be interested to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Only $19,359.21 ex tires... :tup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 I really thought Pegs had been around longer than that. I still think Pegs are the new Pegs. Thinking of Titans? Do they do integrity tests for the DOT and TORT certifications? I could so rip you one for this....... The short answer is yes. On medium and heavy trucks its even required to be stamped into the wheel. My truck for example has a load rating of 8106 per rim. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tort <-- btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevolvR Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Thinking of Titans? I could so rip you one for this....... The short answer is yes. On medium and heavy trucks its even required to be stamped into the wheel. My truck for example has a load rating of 8106 per rim. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tort <-- btw Ahh ok, so your referring directly to DOT which doesn't apply here in Canada. And TORT = Law, which obviously does not. But does JWL-T not do it? and TUV? These obviously doesn't apply in the US though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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