Fudge_Brownie Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 You are hopeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcguru000 Posted December 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 You are hopeless. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BtownVolvo Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 To do a pseudo Alden-style wrap up: - Poly/metal bushings - Tire/wheel selection - Power Steering rack/fluid condition - Endlinks - and general suspension geometry will affect your steering response. You will not...I repeat, WILL NOT have the same, nor ever will have similar response to an M3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcguru000 Posted December 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 To do a pseudo Alden-style wrap up: - Poly/metal bushings - Tire/wheel selection - Power Steering rack/fluid condition - Endlinks - and general suspension geometry will affect your steering response. You will not...I repeat, WILL NOT have the same, nor ever will have similar response to an M3. And this is just what i was getting from this thread, thanks for your contributions.- I am aware i wont get M3 level response but it'd be nice to see a little change here at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 let me reiterate: remember the BMW is rear wheel drive. That alone is a big factor. tire compound, size, tread and pressure, The geometry of the 2 cars is totally different, The weight of each rotating/suspended assembly, weight distribution, chassis stiffness, PS gear ratio, pump rate, swaybar diameter..etc..SO many factors. Handling/steering response is one of the reasons the M3 has been a huge club racing success.. These are 2 totally different cars. even new the Volvo wouldn't hold a candle to an E92 M3...and you have one with shit tires and broken endlinks and god knows what else worn out or broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastwagonhawaii Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 let me reiterate: These are 2 totally different cars. even new the Volvo wouldn't hold a candle to an E92 M3...and you have one with stuff tires and broken endlinks and god knows what else worn out or broken. I would kind of have to disagree, the new s60r awd is pretty nasty (in a good way). and the handling is phenomenal. I have driven both at speed and to be honest I like the volvo better.I just wish the after market would jump on the Volvo just as fast as the bmw. Because if you guys haven't noticed bmw isn't exactly kicking volvo's a-- on the race track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 I would kind of have to disagree, the new s60r awd is pretty nasty (in a good way). and the handling is phenomenal. I have driven both at speed and to be honest I like the volvo better. I just wish the after market would jump on the Volvo just as fast as the bmw. Because if you guys haven't noticed bmw isn't exactly kicking volvo's a-- on the race track I wasn't (and neither was the OP) referring to a new S60R.. I was referring to HIS c70.. even when it was new wouldn't hold up to an E92 M3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzimark Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 it'd be nice to see a little change here at least. Well, that list contains the things that you should consider changing to start addressing the problem. Ben is onto something that a lot of us neglect when we put sport springs on these cars. The roll center goes from blah to omgwtfwhy. Pay close attention to how your car responds to sharp steering input. I bet it's rolling a few degrees before it starts to turn. That is probably the primary issue in the "response" of the steering, and it's not an easy fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BtownVolvo Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 I would kind of have to disagree, the new s60r awd is pretty nasty (in a good way). and the handling is phenomenal. You haven't driven many good cars then, have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastwagonhawaii Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 You haven't driven many good cars then, have you? Dude, seriously. the s60 r awd 2012 is nice take one out for a serious test drive. then go to a Bmw dealer and test drive an M3. You will be surprised. compare the interior, then thrash it a little. I wasn't (and neither was the OP) referring to a new S60R.. I was referring to HIS c70.. even when it was new wouldn't hold up to an E92 M3 Back then either lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnout8488 Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Instead of caring about the M3 comparison...... I think we both have tired steering racks. If anyone else in this thread would actually be helpful like fastwagonhawaii, they would be saying if their steering racks have this "dead spot" in them or not as well. Mine does, and the entire front suspension on my car was refreshed a few months ago. Sounds like the culprit here. If only it wasn't such a bear to replace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 When was the last time you flushed, or even checked, your power steering fluid? When was your last alignment? Something that hasnt been mentioned here is subframe bushings. I don't have any comparison on that one though, so I can't say how much impact there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzimark Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 I think we both have tired steering racks. When you're going straight down the highway, and make a slight turn with the steering wheel, does the car not also make a slight turn? If you had as much slop in the steering rack as you're implying, you would never be able to drive the car in a straight line. It would just wander wherever the camber of the road lead it to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcguru000 Posted December 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Instead of caring about the M3 comparison...... I think we both have tired steering racks. If anyone else in this thread would actually be helpful like fastwagonhawaii, they would be saying if their steering racks have this "dead spot" in them or not as well. Mine does, and the entire front suspension on my car was refreshed a few months ago. Sounds like the culprit here. If only it wasn't such a bear to replace... Yeah regardless of the M3 comparison I was really just trying to get an idea of where things could be updated... obviously those have been questions have been answered and its just a flame fest now LOL thank you (burnout,hawaii and the others who contributed useful ideas, like endlinks, ps fluid/flush, other suspension mods/fixes) -I apologize for the misconception that I wanted a M3C70... not at all. When you're going straight down the highway, and make a slight turn with the steering wheel, does the car not also make a slight turn? If you had as much slop in the steering rack as you're implying, you would never be able to drive the car in a straight line. It would just wander wherever the camber of the road lead it to go. I suppose its not a "true" deadspot- but more a "weakspot" - pretending the wheel was a clock- id say that from the 11:55-12:05 area is "weaker" than the rest, it still steers the car, but once you are a turning MORE to the left, the front wheels react more swiftly to your input. I will begin replacing parts over the next few months and note what changes... i honestly just think its the matter of a decade old steering rack/pump/parts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEU Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 WTF is a Primewell? Using POS tires & you wonder why the handling is sloppy???? ^ This is the main issue, get a set of real tires that cost real money. Lower profile is the best and you won't be complaining about steering response, regardless of speed. You gotta start with the basics before you start upgrade swaybars and bushing material.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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