dfer10 Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 so really its not worth the cost unless of course you have just tons of green to toss around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookforjoe Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 so really its not worth the cost unless of course you have just tons of green to toss around It's worth it if your build requires it. If you're working with a stock Volvo turbo & EMS setup, then no. In the grand scheme of things, you'd get more immediate bang for your buck with a custom intake like mine or Aaron's, than with more aggressive cams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
850wagonT5 Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 Ummm...sure, if you ignore the fact that on pretty much every DOHC engine made int he last 25 years, intakes typically dyno 5-8hp (if they work), and a good aftermarket cam set dynos closer to 15-25hp. Ain't no way a cone intake/short ram/long ram/cold air/etc is going to produce the same power gain an internal engine component in charge of the combustion process is.Oh, more modern engines like EVO's get closer to 50hp from a good cam set...I highly doubt they're gonna tell you a good intake will see the same power gain. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98t5M Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 It's worth it if your build requires it. If you're working with a stock Volvo turbo & EMS setup, then no. In the grand scheme of things, you'd get more immediate bang for your buck with a custom intake like mine or Aaron's, than with more aggressive cams. Sorry to get a little off topic here, but did you actually notice a gain from your intake? Do you have a write up somewhere? I've been considering doing a setup like yours but I always feel like I'm going to invest a lot of time for something that may or may not be any better than stock. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookforjoe Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 Ain't no way a cone intake/short ram/long ram/cold air/etc is going to produce the same power gain an internal engine component in charge of the combustion process is. Intake manifold, not inlet piping, Sorry to get a little off topic here, but did you actually notice a gain from your intake? Do you have a write up somewhere? I've been considering doing a setup like yours but I always feel like I'm going to invest a lot of time for something that may or may not be any better than stock. Thanks See above. The short runner/larger plenum intake manifold makes a significant difference to upper end breathing. Again, I cannot speak for stock turbo setups, although Nick says his is vastly improved (with one of Aaron's intakes), and he only has a 19T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublin14 Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 NA cams will help for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
850wagonT5 Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 NA cams will help for sure. What's "help?" 1hp? 4hp? I wish someone would dyno their ish and put this to rest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jardim Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 With the right timing a guy from the Dutch forum gained around 30bhp with a 19T (335 to 367). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublin14 Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 What's "help?" 1hp? 4hp? I wish someone would dyno their ish and put this to rest! Why only 1-4hp.The HP number is relative to your setup Maciekb2002 said be noticed a big difference in how car pulled after the NA cams were installed. He had been using turbo cams with his built setup prior. 18T vs a 20G with NA cams, the 20G will get more out of them. I did everything at once. And as someone pointed out 30hp is the latest on a 19T over turbo cams. The botom line is NA cams work and they are cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boost3237 Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 I thought it was agreed upon some time ago that the intake cam only needed to be swapped and not both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookforjoe Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 I thought it was agreed upon some time ago that the intake cam only needed to be swapped and not both? That was what Lucky did on Nick Choy's '98. I don't know if that rationale was across the board, or for his specific hardware setup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martijn_B Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 I discussed swopping just the intake with my tuner earlier and he suggested to do both cams. Ill be there for my mapping in 2-3 weeks though so will post the results (19T). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRACStar Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 1hp? 4hp? I wish someone would dyno their ish and put this to rest! Take a trip to a yard, grab some cams and do it. Bottom line is bigger cams = more powah, how much like everyone says depends on your setup. If I put in NA cams I may pick up 20hp someone else may only see 5hp. There are way too many variables to have a solid number to rely on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
850wagonT5 Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 Take a trip to a yard, grab some cams and do it. Bottom line is bigger cams = more powah, how much like everyone says depends on your setup. If I put in NA cams I may pick up 20hp someone else may only see 5hp. There are way too many variables to have a solid number to rely on. I already did...I've had them for a long while. And I didn't notice much. Maybe a little, but not enough to claim a specific power gain from the butt dyno. But looking at the differences in lift/duration/lobe center compared to the turbo cams, 20+hp seems mighty optimistic. At best, they're a half-step toward a mild aftermarket street cam set. I don't think I got 20hp @ peak even with my T3/T04E @ 18-20psi...let alone putting them into a 15G car. But that's just my opinion - only reason I didn't dyno the N/A cams was because it honestly seemed like a waste of time/money. I didn't think I was going to see a gain on the dyno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FINN Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 I remember reading that the Peril lost 10hp on a dyno with the NA cams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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