Zappo Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 I plan on pushing somewhere in the neighborhood of 300-350 whp. Hoping this can be a reliable setup to daily drive. Easily done on your setup. I was at 330 WHP on my setup before the current rebuild and I have a few changes in the works to raise it a bit and possibly to get it to spool sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Über855R Posted January 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Gorgeous. All I have to say. Goodluck with the build. And that head looks great. I look forward to future progress. Not sure if I should say thank you or just tell Cj you said so. He is the artist making all of this happen after all. We did some flow testing on the head and it shows a 15% increased flow over stock. Not bad. Bought it in 2006. All original paint except hood, spoilers. Was my only car for years. My build motor should be done by Davis. Will include LSD, Drop in intercooler, K24, etc. I just finished a coil over set up. Thanks for the props on the car. Mark Sounds like it will be a beast when it's together. I hope you get things buttoned up before Davis, these things have a way of taking longer than expected. Do you recall how many miles when you got it? I'm honestly surprised that is a driver, when I saw the car at Davis I figured it was one of those grandma score situations where granny had it in the garage forever and then an enthusiast got lucky and got a low mileage beauty. My car has about 120k now and only around 80k when I got it. For those of you counting that is approx 40k/8yr=5k/yr average, not exactly beating on it. Although with three years of storage factored in I suppose that changes things.Easily done on your setup. I was at 330 WHP on my setup before the current rebuild and I have a few changes in the works to raise it a bit and possibly to get it to spool sooner. How much boost were you running for those numbers? Also, I'm curious what kind of changes you are planning? If you explain it will make it easier for me to barrow your ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prasamin Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 are you doing turbo tuner through CJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappo Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 23 PSI. Running higher than 23 wasn't gaining me anything so we didn't go further. I didn't have the NA cams in before, just the stock turbo cams. Josh made the IC pipes to fit a stock car, and the lower IC opening is only 2", so his pipe is 2" and expands to 3" for the TB. However, I haven't had the stock IC for many years, and my lower opening is actually 2.5". I have to adapt down to 2" to use his pipe, so I plan on changing that lower pipe to be 2.5" and expand to 3". The MAF maxes out even with the stock turbo on stock boost, so anything above 5000 RPM is a guess to get right. I have thought about going with a 3" MAF, but that requires starting over on tuning since everything changes. You can't simply scale it and assume it will work correctly. My dyno graph is choppy above 5k, which you see a lot on other higher HP Volvos, and I am not sure if it from the MAF not being able to measure correctly or a flow restriction issue. Your numbers should end up being higher because you didn't have those issues, and you have his flowed head. My head is ported and polished with a 5 angle valve grind, but it was never flow tested. You also may spool sooner. Cam timing is important also. I had the turbo cams set to what someone recommended to help me get power sooner, like 2 degrees advanced, but during tuning I reset both the intake and exhaust back to 0 as a test. Gained 20 hp just from that as well as torque. It raised whole curve up, so I gained power at all RPMs. We didn't have time to keep altering the cams to see what worked best, so we left it at that because I had planned on changing the cams at some point anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Über855R Posted January 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 are you doing turbo tuner through CJ? Yes. Actually, I was one of the first ones to get TT from Cj when he started distributing them. Just didn't do much with it before putting the car in storage. He has been getting parts for me to do this build for a number of years, manifold here, turbo there, rods, pistons, then finally we are putting it all together. Btw, just got another pic from Cj. The motor is attached to the car. Not ready, but in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Über855R Posted January 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Excuse my multiple replies.23 PSI. Running higher than 23 wasn't gaining me anything so we didn't go further. Is this with the green injectors? The MAF maxes out even with the stock turbo on stock boost, so anything above 5000 RPM is a guess to get right. I have thought about going with a 3" MAF, but that requires starting over on tuning since everything changes. You can't simply scale it and assume it will work correctly. My dyno graph is choppy above 5k, which you see a lot on other higher HP Volvos, and I am not sure if it from the MAF not being able to measure correctly or a flow issue. Hussein was telling me something similar. It seems a MAF upgrade would be good to do sooner than later. Which MAF would be ideal to use? Knowing this should be done before I get serious about a tune is very helpful. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappo Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 No, I was running the Seimens 630cc injectors. However, Bosch ECUs seem to have an issue trying to control them at idle. I switched back to the 465cc injectors I had and my idle problems vanished immediately. I have not ran them above 18 psi though since I swapped, but I did alter my fuel map of course. I have been told the greens would be enough for the HP level, but I haven't tested it. I have a link to some 550cc Bosch injectors I might upgrade to. You might as well do the MAF change now, otherwise you are basically tuning twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Volvo Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 Gahh. Why waste such a beautiful car and motor on a 18 year old EMS? Megasquirt is so inexpensive and very easy to wire and configure. You could make a plug and play box with a old ecu. Then if you need inspection swap in the stock tune and just kill the boost. A standalone ems is all that is left that this build needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappo Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 Never as simple as you make it out to be. He could never run a "stock" tune in it because the injectors are wrong. While it could probably pass the load test, it wouldn't pass the idle test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Volvo Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 Never as simple as you make it out to be. He could never run a "stock" tune in it because the injectors are wrong. While it could probably pass the load test, it wouldn't pass the idle test. Hmm yeah. Im still sure he could get an inexpensive tune for just use when trying to pass inspection or whatever. But its not my build. Goodluck with whatever EMS option you choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappo Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 Well, he purchased TT some time ago, so it isn't like he is spending any more money in that area. Also, it will easily allow him to reach his HP goals and still pass emissions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Über855R Posted January 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 A standalone ems is all that is left that this build needs. It would be nice. If I could build an emission deciated box for smog I would probably go that route and do standalone. As it sits I think it should be okay. I have considered other options but already owning TT helps.. Plenty of people seem to be doing okay with it. I think the thing really missing is a paddle shifter for my million dollar auto tranny. (hint, hint) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simply Volvo Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 It would be nice. If I could build an emission deciated box for smog I would probably go that route and do standalone. As it sits I think it should be okay. I have considered other options but already owning TT helps.. Plenty of people seem to be doing okay with it. I think the thing really missing is a paddle shifter for my million dollar auto tranny. (hint, hint) Seems like someone hasnt checked the thread lately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdlimy Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 oh god, im jealous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaica2G Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Its awesome to stumble back in here after years and be awed by an 850 wagon. I absolutely love it! I'm drooling here! haha Adrian I'm glad to see some of the names on here - glad you guys / girls are in good health! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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