badvlvo Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I'm kicking around the idea of developing a bolt-in high output unit for our Whiteblock cars. This will be a totally new unit with a great output curve, not some crappy stator swap job in a stock unit. 120-140a at idle, in drive, and 250a by 1800rpm is what it will do on the car, which is more than enough for any high draw audio or air ride when equipped with proper battery capacity. It's a 6-phase, square wire unit with a 2-tier rectifier. Low friction bearings and precision balanced rotor keep it quiet and efficient. This is the latest technology in alternators, no alternator whine, no vibrations, no noise, and no huge drag on your engine. Primarily we sell to the car audio market, and have been in business for more than 30 years. The units will be covered by a 2-year warranty and will be designed as a bolt-in installation. Expected retail price will be $599, but if I see enough interest I will do a group buy and save some real money. I know there's a need for good alternators in this market, and I already have one on my 244. I'm not looking to make money off anyone here, just looking to do one run of alternators to fit our applications. This is NOT going to be something that will be in the catalog and may only be a one time availability due to the custom nature of the case. What say you? Looking for interest and input. Tell me what you drive and what kind of electrical demand you have on the vehicle and I can see if this will be right for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob850 Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 I'd be interested, possibly, need to read up it. But I'm due for a new alternator antway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow95 Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Remember when I gave you the 240 squirter block? Hint hint hint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badvlvo Posted January 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 I'd be interested, possibly, need to read up it. But I'm due for a new alternator antway What kind of electrical demand do you have on the vehicle beyond the OEM? Remember when I gave you the 240 squirter block? Hint hint hint? Yes, and I will be sure to give you the best deal possible on it in return! In fact that one is just hanging out in the garage right now waiting for the fabricator to finish the header and the machine shop to finish the new head. Then I buy a turbo, cam and wiring harness for the MS and it's ready to run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob850 Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 What kind of electrical demand do you have on the vehicle beyond the OEM? Nothing yet, just thinking ahead, maybe a subwoofer and bigger front amp. Probably overkill for me now that I think about it, unless there are any other benefits I'm not aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badvlvo Posted January 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Anything beyond the OEM electronics will tax the factory alternator and battery when you are running your heater, stereo, headlights and seat heaters. Keep in mind that 1000w RMS amp will pull down 80a at full tilt. The factory alternator doesn't have the capacity to keep up with this kind of demand and will allow the system voltage to drop. Most will add one or more additional batteries, as this will stabilize the voltage by giving a larger capacity, but it will still allow the voltage to drop. The high output alternator will allow a properly designed audio system or other high draw electronic accessory to run a high output levels while maintaining proper system voltage. So if you are doing more than just your basic amp and sub install it's something to consider. But keep in mind that while I am talking about having these built for our vehicles it's something that is definitely NOT necessary for many of us. I'm looking at a multiple battery install along with the alternator to be able to keep up with the demand of the air compressors and audio, particularly while running the AC in the 30 100+ days we see here each year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler T5R Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 I'll keep my eye on this thread. My extra demand over stock would be HID lights, and 1-3 powerful amps (TBD). It would be a bit of a luxury, but if you get the price down in a group buy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badvlvo Posted January 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Anything over 1k rms for your amps is going to exceed the output o the OEM alternator when there's any real load, and you will see your voltage drop. A good battery is just as important. Going to do a run of 10 of these, will do more if there's enough buyers, but it's going to be one production run then it's over. No more once these are built. Price will be determined once I have the time to pull a unit and test fit the mock-up. Once we decide on the specific build I will start the group but thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Über855R Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 I'm in almost for sure. Although the price is a bit of a stretch, if it came down a bit it would be a sure thing. '97 850R. Optima red top Under drive pulley Pioneer Z1 10" w7 type sub Component speaker Two amps, <1000 watts Under glow Hid Power inverter Laptop Xbox car pc Radar detector Piaa off road halogen fogs More screens coming soon(ish) Is it overkill here? Seems like at that price this is meant for a more serious sound system than mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyb5 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Might be interested if the price is reasonable. My stereo isn't too over the top, but is in the 1k rms neighborhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Shadow Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 120-140a at idle, in drive, and 250a by 1800rpm is what it will do on the car, which is more than enough for any high draw audio or air ride when equipped with proper battery capacity. It's a 6-phase, square wire unit with a 2-tier rectifier. Low friction bearings and precision balanced rotor keep it quiet and efficient. This is the latest technology in alternators, no alternator whine, no vibrations, no noise, and no huge drag on your engine. Expected retail price will be $599, Well questions: What is 6 phase? Only heard of 3 phase alternators. Is that double wound? Because thats still 3 phase, double wound What is a two tier rectifier? Still is just a + and - in a rectifier $599 is a reach, My High Output alternator in my Volvos 94 855t 210amp unit bosch direct drop in 01 C70 210 amp unit bosch direct drop in unit 03 XC90 190 amp direct drop in UPGRADED larger chassis from the 140 amp unit 180-210 amps is about all you will get out of a OEM case unit. I retail these alternators out between $350-450 depending on core availability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badvlvo Posted January 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 I'm in almost for sure. Although the price is a bit of a stretch, if it came down a bit it would be a sure thing. '97 850R. Optima red top Under drive pulley Pioneer Z1 10" w7 type sub Component speaker Two amps, <1000 watts Under glow Hid Power inverter Laptop Xbox car pc Radar detector Piaa off road halogen fogs More screens coming soon(ish) Is it overkill here? Seems like at that price this is meant for a more serious sound system than mine. Underdrive pulleys kill low speed charging output. Sounds like you have enough load that you might be experiencing voltage drop. What is your system voltage running with no load? With your lights, heater and stereo turned up? Any lights dimming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badvlvo Posted January 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 Well questions: What is 6 phase? Only heard of 3 phase alternators.Is that double wound? Because thats still 3 phase, double woundWhat is a two tier rectifier? Still is just a + and - in a rectifier $599 is a reach, My High Output alternator in my Volvos 94 855t 210amp unit bosch direct drop in 01 C70 210 amp unit bosch direct drop in unit 03 XC90 190 amp direct drop in UPGRADED larger chassis from the 140 amp unit 180-210 amps is about all you will get out of a OEM case unit. I retail these alternators out between $350-450 depending on core availability. 6 phase is just that, 6 phases. Your OEM unit has 3 phase internals. We use 6 phase to increase output efficiency and reduce noise introduced by the alternator. The 2 tier rectifier provides better cooling to insure it doesn't burn with the high load. We don't do rewound units, these are new square wire 96 pole stators. We don't use the OEM case for this application, it's an old and inefficient design. The highest I have seen load testing whiteblocks has been 180a at the meter. Idle was down to 55-60a. Low speed output on the 32 pole, three phase units isn't very good. I'll shoot a video once I have the car back at my house showing the OEM unit to demonstrate the voltage drop and the low idle output. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob850 Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 I'm going to do the PCV, oil cooler lines, battery cable, etc soon, so if the group buy gets going soon, I'm much more likely to buy. Once i'm done with that that stuff, then I'll be less motivated to go in there again. Let's get this group buy going! What price are you thinking for a group buy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badvlvo Posted January 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Still have to determine the exact build before I can price it. Going to try to get the price down enough, but it's hard with this being a new product and with limited market and production numbers. I am also looking at our higher output large diameter stators to see if I can fit that unit easily. If so 340a output is not a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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