bob850 Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 Frankly, I'm not looking for 340 amps. I just want something that will be a decent amount more than stock and not drag on the engine compared to the stock unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badvlvo Posted January 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Alternators work off demand, if the car only needs 100a it only produces 100a. The rotating mass of the 340a unit is comparable to the OEM, but with low drag bearings and a more efficient cooling, causing it to require less power at equivalent output. I can build them anywhere from 170a to 340a, but there's only a slight difference in price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optimus prime Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 So youre a vendor? Wheres your website i would like to look more into buying an alternator from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badvlvo Posted January 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 I was the sales and product development manager for a high output alternator company. Since I moved back to California I am doing outside sales and working on building the product catalogs for our product lines. The unit isn't linkable to the website as it's a custom built unit, but let me get the link to the unit we will be using as the base for this build and I can post it up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 So youre a vendor? Wheres your website i would like to look more into buying an alternator from you. this thread is nothing more than basing interest. he's not pushing anything on anybody. you will have a choice to purchase when there IS something to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optimus prime Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Ok but i would still like to know more becuase if this is legit i am interested in buying a high output alternator. I just figured there would be some kind of website with pictures and info or something. Is there a problem with me asking questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badvlvo Posted February 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 this thread is nothing more than basing interest. he's not pushing anything on anybody. you will have a choice to purchase when there IS something to sell. Exactly. I'm simply gauging the interest here. There's an R sitting in front of my house right now that should be getting one and at least 2 others local to me who will want these units. There's a couple airbag equipped cars up north too that would benefit from one of these. Ok but i would still like to know more becuase if this is legit i am interested in buying a high output alternator. I just figured there would be some kind of website with pictures and info or something. Is there a problem with me asking questions? This is entirely legit, and we ship hundreds of units each month all over the world. I am simply gauging interest right now to determine if I will just do a single small run of pre-sold units or if I will have a few extra produced for my own inventory. This unit is not and will not be on the website as it's only being produced for me. The specs of this unit are not etched in stone at this time, I may explore design options once I get to the point of building the first housing. Pictures don't exist, the unit is not produced at this time. We have the ability to build for any application, and build custom units to order on a regular basis. Pictures would just look like any other alternator until the actual unit is produced, and I do not provide pictures of any unit that is incomplete due to people looking at it and saying "that won't fit, the mount is wrong." Once there is a prototype housing built with our internals and I have the time to install it on the car there will be pictures and specs, as well as pricing posted. And once that is done there will be a group buy established for VS, TB, BS, BB, SS, and any of the other forums. I'm only posting about this here because this forum is biased more towards the FWD market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Shadow Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 www.mechman.com only place that uses the verbage that this guy is spitting out. probably a nippondenso unit that uses a double 3 phase stator square wire and either a 12 or 16 diode rectifior to reduce noise. these are great units that will require custom made housings. they come stock @ 180 and have no problem making more. pictures dont exist because it needs to be designed and made first. really, a upgraded OEM unit bumping out 200amps is what 1% of the volvo world needs and 99% of the volvo world wants. i dont think the demand is there, but you do what you want. good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badvlvo Posted February 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 www.mechman.com only place that uses the verbage that this guy is spitting out. probably a nippondenso unit that uses a double 3 phase stator square wire and either a 12 or 16 diode rectifior to reduce noise. these are great units that will require custom made housings. they come stock @ 180 and have no problem making more. pictures dont exist because it needs to be designed and made first. really, a upgraded OEM unit bumping out 200amps is what 1% of the volvo world needs and 99% of the volvo world wants. i dont think the demand is there, but you do what you want. good luck The reason that the verbage that this guy is spitting out is used on that site is that I wrote it all. The site was reworked late last year and I am presently working on the latest product catalog so we can load it on the site. The smaller diameter unit we base this model on comes with 130 or 140a in the regular production models. The 180a is slightly larger, and capable of more output, but ultimately not the best for our packaging concerns. The square wire Denso is what these are based on, and we use specifically selected components to produce the output and reliability we demand. The factory design 200a units have poor output at idle and low speed. The 6-phase units correct this problem, and the idle output will generally be double that of the OEM unit. Stable voltage at idle is not just something for car audio, dialing in injector dead time when the voltage fluctuates at idle and low speed can be a real PITA. I'm not expecting much of a market for these units, and I am only planning on one run of them. If the time comes and nobody comes up with the cash I will build one for myself and that will be the end of it. Being 2400 miles away from the shop right now doesn't make it something I have the time to fool around with and if there is no market the only time I have wasted was posting here on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optimus prime Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 So how much is that 370 amp one ? And what about the 320 amp unit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badvlvo Posted February 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Pricing is going to depend on the final product as will output. If we can use the larger diameter unit we may develop to fit this application, but I would prefer to stay with the smaller diameter to reduce load on the belt. The smaller unit is marginally less expensive to build. There are a lot of variables in the cost of the mounting solution. We have a few options in regards to how to mount the unit, and want to build what will be the most reliable and best fit. I have the specs for the unit, just waiting for the time to pull the alternator off my car and mock up a unit in place to determine the best mounting solution. This is pretty far back on my list of things to do right now, working on the catalog is consuming my free time right now and my other job has had me running pretty hard the last 2 weeks. Once I have a unit mocked up in my car I will be able to quote prices. At that point I will post pricing, and the number of sales needed to increase the discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Shadow Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Pricing is going to depend on the final product as will output. If we can use the larger diameter unit we may develop to fit this application, but I would prefer to stay with the smaller diameter to reduce load on the belt. The smaller unit is marginally less expensive to build. There are a lot of variables in the cost of the mounting solution. We have a few options in regards to how to mount the unit, and want to build what will be the most reliable and best fit. I have the specs for the unit, just waiting for the time to pull the alternator off my car and mock up a unit in place to determine the best mounting solution. This is pretty far back on my list of things to do right now, working on the catalog is consuming my free time right now and my other job has had me running pretty hard the last 2 weeks. Once I have a unit mocked up in my car I will be able to quote prices. At that point I will post pricing, and the number of sales needed to increase the discount. the area where the alternator is already tight. with a LARGER unit and new MOUNTS. You would take your whole front end off to mock up a test unit? that seems like a WHOLE lot of time and effort to get another 100 amps out of a alternator, for a group of potential buyers that you can count on one hand, then getting even less as you factor in all the r and d into the cost of the units. then delivering it in a timely fashion. then handleing all the warranty issues that may come and install issues. all for what maybe 10 units across all those forums you mentioned, then add in the 93-98 equation vs 99/00 vs 01+ differences. i'd be surprised to see this happen to be produced for the masses. in the mean time, give me a 10550 volvo bosch unit direct drop in @ 200amp and i will be on my merry way. here is a picture of the alternator so you can get a visual fo the space we talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badvlvo Posted February 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 The unit will actually be physically smaller due to the smaller stator diameter. Installing it in the vehicle will be no harder than changing out the OEM unit with the exception of the cable upgrade. The units we build are designed to bolt directly in place of the OEM. I won't be pulling the whole front end off the car to change an alternator, that's just not necessary. R and D costs are minimal, and all handled in-house. With at least one total new design a week being built it's something with which we are quite familiar. Delivery in a timely fashion? 2 weeks or less to produce the units from the time of order is typical for something custom like this. If I need to wait on parts to be laser cut then it may add a few days. Warranty issues? The square wire Densos have the lowest return rate of any unit we have produced. And if it does have a problem there's a 2-year warranty on the unit. Send it in for service and it will get fixed. Units that are sent in for service get turned around in 2 business days or less, often back out in shipping the same day. It is worth doing this for only 10 units. It's not something that I am having done to be a profit center, I am doing this to offer the product to this community. If I am already building one for my own car why would I not offer this up as a limited run? It's a lot more profitable to sell 5 or 10 than build just one for my car. You are happy with your Bosch unit, that's great, but I don't understand why you feel the need to keep talking this down like the time and effort are coming out of your pocket. And yes, it's worth it for another 100a. When you have a big stereo, air ride, lighting and a bunch of other electronics on board it makes a big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfishing3 Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 steve i edited out your post. i'm confused why you and opt are acting like asses here. This is basically a widget discussion and you guys act like its snake oil pitch. let there be a product, let there be a FS thread, then ask away. if you have a specific application, i don't see the harm in asking. questions have been asked and answered in a satisfactory level for now IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Shadow Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 hopefully my PM will confuse you a little less No more comments from me on this thread. Unsubbed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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