Timbo Slice Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 26 minutes ago, Yellow95 said: Back on topic now that the creeper has been dismissed. Kevin, do you have a link where he said that (about overturning gay marriage)? I have not seen that. Might be the first thing that I disagree with though I hate saying that as it gives Alden hope. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow95 Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Best Trump line so far. 'Socialism isn't a rising tide that raises all boats. Its a wave of globalism that drowns our middle class and our jobs along with it." Hillary's best line to date. "I don't remember". Bernies- Not gonna lie. I have no clue what his is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin. Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 http://www.snopes.com/trump-plans-reverse-marriage-equality-elected-president/ my favorite Trump quote is "I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down, And I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering." the man thinks people in NJ celebrated 9/11 Gary he is going to repeal rights for thousands of Americans, people who have guaranteed rights for the pursuit of happiness. I guess people only have rights if you like them..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikS Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Yellow95 said: Its a wave of globalism that drowns our middle class and our jobs along with it." That is describing capitalism, social programs are necessary to subsidize it. Case in point, Walmart. Shall I explain or is that enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin. Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 1 minute ago, ErikS said: That is describing capitalism, social programs are necessary to subsidize it. Case in point, Walmart. Shall I explain or is that enough? capitalism, when left unchecked (as it is right now), will allow the very rich to steal from the poor and middle classes. Why do we have to stand for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Thank you Karl Marx. "Capital is reckless of the health or length of life of the laborer, unless under compulsion from society." 33 minutes ago, Kevin. said: capitalism, when left unchecked (as it is right now), will allow the very rich to steal from the poor and middle classes. Why do we have to stand for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow95 Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 1 hour ago, ErikS said: That is describing capitalism, social programs are necessary to subsidize it. Case in point, Walmart. Shall I explain or is that enough? I'm sure in your mind you've totally justified your point. To me I don't see it at all. So explain away to yourself if that makes you feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikS Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 25 minutes ago, Yellow95 said: I'm sure in your mind you've totally justified your point. To me I don't see it at all. So explain away to yourself if that makes you feel better. Walmart is the largest employer in the US, and a benchmark of success in capitalism. It is publicly traded and private-sector - committed to one thing, profits. They pay such a low wage to the vast majority of employees in the US that they are forced to turn to medicaid and medicare, and also receive welfare to compensate for their low wages and complete lack of benefits. Social programs propping up capitalism is not sustainable. I know your retort is "these are not permanent jobs", but they are for tens of millions of Americans. Your taxes will go up in the future to continue to support this model. That is reality. If these large multinational and socially impacting corporations gave better wages and simple benefits you and I take for granted, perhaps things would be better for those who truly are not able to move up in the social and economic classes, and the socialist programs you are already paying for out of each paycheck would not need more money to remain solvent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow95 Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Explain to me why there is no Elite socialist country in the world. Because socialism is a great concept but doesn't work in the real world. There's a reason why the US has all the best surgeons all the best chemists all the best engineers. The reasons called capitalism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikS Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 :sigh: Free market economics and social welfare programs are part of every modern "elite" society. What is an elite society by the way in your definition? They have to be in balance - and in the US, they are not. Those surgeons and chemists and engineers? They are all immigrants, or children of them my saggy balled trumpster friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn-E Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 I think it's questionable whether Walmart is a benchmark of success according to capitalism. Perhaps a certain form of capitalism but there are other companies in the Fortune 500 who represent a model of being a proper contributor to society and their shareholders. In the retail space Costco demonstrates success while paying responsible wages and deliver quality products at competitive prices. The company I work for is a darling of Wall Street in the Industrial manufacturing sector and provides significant wages and benefits to our employees even on the shop floor. And we make margins that are 3x to 10x what our competition achieves. My point is part of the problem is that consumers shop at and support companies that damage society like Walmart does. I refuse to shop there for that very reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikS Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 44 minutes ago, Burn-E said: My point is part of the problem is that consumers shop at and support companies that damage society like Walmart does. I refuse to shop there for that very reason. I've never set foot in a Walmart, but many don't have a choice. My point is saggy balls Gary has done nothing to support his argument for Trump. One liners, question dodging, changing the subject, bullying, and bullshit. That is Gary's argument so far. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo Slice Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 Welcome to politics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow95 Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 13 hours ago, ErikS said: :sigh: Free market economics and social welfare programs are part of every modern "elite" society. What is an elite society by the way in your definition? They have to be in balance - and in the US, they are not. Those surgeons and chemists and engineers? They are all immigrants, or children of them my saggy balled trumpster friend. What does them being immigrants have to do with Socialism my saggy labia ignorant brother? I noticed you couldn't name one of those "elite" countries. What it boils down to is this. I am sorry IF you are an under achiever but that not my problem. I don't want to pay your kids way thru school. Why don't you step up and do it? My son is ( and his college is already paid for. Not saved for but paid for. You might have fathered them (before your labia got torn and started sagging" so why don't you worry about bettering them and not teach them that the government and others should take care of them? Now what is your phone number and I will text you some pics of my balls to get you by until I get to Texas again. ;) 11 hours ago, ErikS said: I've never set foot in a Walmart, but many don't have a choice. My point is saggy balls Gary has done nothing to support his argument for Trump. One liners, question dodging, changing the subject, bullying, and bullshit. That is Gary's argument so far. LOL, you decide to make the conversation about my balls but I am the bully and the bullshitter? Its ok to be weak Erik but you really have to do better at hiding it. If you don't want to argue and cant handle it, stay out of the political forums. You don't vote anyway. You just bitch and whine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikS Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 You know I was just using a Trump tactic. Its seems to have gotten under your skin so I will stop. There is nothing "weak" about anything I've said in my answers or arguments - Is emptiness a sign of strength in your book? There are quite a few "elite" countries with highly socialized systems. GB for one, Norway, Canada, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland ... they are largely culturally monistic, which helps. I setup a 529 for my son when he was six months old, he'll have a couple hundred grand when he is 18 ;) I did register to vote when I had to renew my driver's license. I will probably vote for Gary Johnson as he likes limited government, but is more socially liberal. I don't agree with everything he wants to do, but certainly more than the other two options - also he's a badass. So, why are you voting for Trump? What will he do to make America great again? Do we get more empty, hollow, one liners from you, or are your going to show how strong you are by explaining? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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