Slater Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Who would be intertested in delrin parts, and if so what parts?Initially it would be stuff for the 850 just so I could test fit it on my car, but I could easily branch out to other models.I have NO idea of prices, but they would be as affordable as possible.I am mainly looking for a "wish list" of parts and then I'll evaluate what to start on from there.So far I'm thinking:- Control Arm bushings (for the steel arms since that's all I have access to)- Strut mounts- Spring seats- Sway bar bushings (for stock sway bar not IPD). You would have to bur off your stock bushings and install these. I have a felling most performance oriented people would just get IPD sways, which come with poly bushings anyways which are a good sway bar material. Not as good as Delrin but way better than rubber.- Slater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTSPO Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 put me down for a pair of spring seats and sway bar bushing, if they are what i think they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricF Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 put me down for a pair of spring seats and sway bar bushing, if they are what i think they are.←Depending on timing and pricing, I could be interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted February 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Depending on timing and pricing, I could be interested.←Well I don't have a business doing this, and am not out to make a million dollars. I honestly just want to make a set for myself to save $$ in the long run compared to changing spring seats and control arms a handful of times like may of you have done. I would rather invest in the cost now so I only have to change them ONCE when the time comes.If you know anything about manufacturing, each additional part you make reduces the overall cost of each part. So making enough for myself is idiotic when I can make enough for 10 more people. Then we all pay a cheaper price. The more the better.However, what will DECREASE the cost will be if I have samples of all of these parts to take meausrements, test fit, etc. If anyone has any junk control arms, sprnig seats, etc they are willing to donate to the cause, that will help tremendously. Otherwise I will have to buy all of these parts myself and will just pass the cost along to everyone else when it comes time to price it because I'm not going to spend hundreds of $$ of my own money to buy suspension parts just to make cheap bushings for everyone and eat the suspension part costs myself. Like I said I don't have a business doing this so if a few people have these aprts laying around gathering dust, you can help all of us out by sending em my way. Otherwise I'm going to have to buy new parts.As far as pricing, I have no clue whatsoever and won't have a clue until the parts are made. As far as time, I have a full time job and family. I'm in no rush, so I hope you aren't either.Finally, if you don't know what effect Delrin will have on your car you shouldn't be interested. That's why I'm asking in the Performance Mods section.Delrin is stiff as hell - it's plastic. Your car will ride harsher and not like a cushy Caddy, but it will make a difference by getting rid of any slop and compliance the stock rubber bushings have, plus it will not deteoriate and need replacement regularly like the stock bushings do. They will basically last forever.- Slater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesoam Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 i think poly is a better idea for seats...concur/debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted February 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 i think poly is a better idea for seats...concur/debate?←I have no way to make Poly. I do have access to make Delrin. Poly is cast, so convincing Prothane, Energy Suspension, or a similar company will take some numbers. They aren't going to invest the time and money to make something that thwy are only going to sell to 10 people. I am willing to because I am one of those 10 people!Why would poly be better than delrin for the seats?- Slater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricF Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Delrin is much stronger and more durable than poly... But as was said, it's probably going to be noticeably harsher. If you have bad roads, and your car is your daily driver, it might turn out to be a bad idea.I'm in no rush at all. Just depends on my funds available at time of commitment and purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancetheman Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 i'd be in for the control arm stuffand maybe some other stuff later oni have my junked control arm sitting around somewherelet me try to find it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AutoX47 Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 I made the delrin units for the steel control arms, I never had a chance to get a good look at the aluminum arms which use the same bushings but have a problem with the caster going out of what so i wanted to solve that problem but havent had a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve s Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 delrin is even harder than polyurethane yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted February 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 delrin is even harder than polyurethane yeah?←Yes - poly is soft, like rubber. You can smoosh it with your fingers. Depending on the formulation it is available in different hardness ratings (called durons I believe). Besides being harder than rubber, the advantage of poly is that it doesn't deteriorate like rubber.Delrin is like a rock. If you bite it you would break off a tooth ;0)- Slater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted February 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 I made the delrin units for the steel control arms, I never had a chance to get a good look at the aluminum arms which use the same bushings but have a problem with the caster going out of what so i wanted to solve that problem but havent had a chance←Well, no use me reinventing the wheel. How much do you want for a set of CA bushings and do you have any made up now?Did you make steel collars for the inside of the bushing where the bolt goes through, or is it 100% delrin?What's the caster issue? Does it only affect the aluminum bushings? On my steel control arm one side is pressed in deeper than the other, so you would have to make the new bushing with the same depths as opposed to perfectly symmetrical. If you didn't do the offset style that would cause potential problems...- Slater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lax01 Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 I hear you have to press the bushings onto the control arms...is this true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted February 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 I hear you have to press the bushings onto the control arms...is this true?←Only the rubber ones because of the way they are vulcanized to the sleeve and the fact that they sleeve is straight. With the delrin you would not have to press them in. They would be machined to exact tolerances and would have a flange on the end that would alleviate the need to press them in. However, to remove the stock rubber ones you would either have to press them out or torch them out. But you would have to do this to any aftermarkert bushings, poly included.- Slater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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