Tzantushka1568908311 Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Daz = Some progress at least.Thomas = Hopefully your R hasn't been Daz-ed.Between you two, all of the available Volvo x70 parts out are being sucked out of Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasw Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Yes. Isn't it awesome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasw Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 So I had it towed to the local dealer who has taken care of me until this point in time (for the stuff I don't/can't do at home). After waiting what seemed like an eternity I get the dreaded phone call telling me the head gasket is gone.Next I am told that due to the miles (195000 km's) and the fact that both the head and block are alloy I need to go an exchange engine. It has to come from Sweden and will cost $10K.At this point I lost touch with reality so I'm not certain that includes removal and fitting labour charges.Are they right in assuming that it is toast or is this just the easy option for them?What do you think guys? The head hasn't come off and the argument is that will be $1K in labour alone and then they might find the engine is toast anyway.I am leaning towards getting the head off and taking it as it comes from there ..... And, if the engine is toast then depending on how bad it is either fix it or fit a second hand/rebuilt unit. No way that would hit $10K in parts alone would it?!So. Dave. You still have the 88K engine lying around collecting dust? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzantushka1568908311 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Thomas,Before the alternatives - a professional second opinion may be in order - but it will cost you some time and effort.If I was in your case - I wouldn't know what to do either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasw Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Hi Trent,There are a couple of other places I can consider but I pretty much took it to the guys this morning that have taken care of me in the past.They know they only see me for stuff I can't do or don't feel confident doing and also know I get my (genuine) parts from the US for a third of the cost in most instances. They haven't had an issues with this before.The workshop manager that is normally there and "looks after me" is away and I kind of get the feeling that they are making the quote look like I should consider trading in on a new car rather than repairing.And in all this they still don't have the water pump as an item which I know has been in the car for 100K and so do they. Unless the exchange engine gets shipped with one I guess. I mean for the below I add $4K and I could pick up a whole secondhand R that vintage .....QTY DESCRIPTION PART COST LABOUR1 REMOVE AND REPLACE THE ENGINE 33001 EXCHANGE ENGINE 6245 1 THERMOSTAT 60 1 EXHAUST GASKET 79 1 INLET GASKET 36 1 TOP RADIATOR HOSE 125 1 LOWER RADIATOR HOSE 62 1 HEATER HOSES 335 1 WORKSHOP SUPPLIES 50 1 EXTRA REQUIRED PARTS 650 THIS IS A ESTIMATE ONLY AND SUBJECT TO VARIATION TOTAL ESTIMATED COST INC GST $10880 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAZ-13B Posted March 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Hi DaveSorry to hear about the car...In the interest of getting my car back on the road quicker and saving a dollar and as we all know this has dragged on long enough, I decided to buy a used B5234T3 from a smashed C70 coupe, total cost is $1100. I will then bolt my new turbo and accessories on that engine, I will use my new water pump, thermostat timing belt and tensioner also from my old engine.This is from the fellow that put the head back on the car a few months ago.Due to the damage to the con rod, crank, block and piston it was easier than trying to find a good 2.3 block with good internals.There is an engine available in Sydney for $1550.00, if it helps I could put you in contact with them ?So you need to weigh your options up... Ill try and help as prices and availability are different here than the rest of the world # Option 1 Volvo dealer $10,000 new engine.... mmmmmm naaaaah ! is that fitted ? # Option 2 Used engine $1550, plus you will need new stuff like timing belt,water pump, gaskets, cam seals, oil filter, oil, thermostat and coolant. So there is another $500 to $700 there plus labour of $1000 to $1500.# Option 3 This is what i did but where I went wrong is that I should of taken the sump off ,checked for any contaminants and whilst in there replaced the sump o rings. At 250,000 kilometres I have absolute faith that my engine would have given me many years of service given the excellent condition of the rest of the bearings and the head when it was actually in when pulled apart at work.So what did it cost ? Head shave, replace valve stem seals, head service $300.00, VRS kit , water pump , timing belt kit with tensioners and rollers, head bolts, thermostat, oil filter, fuel filter. All those parts cost $1100.00 The labour plus all of the missing parts was $1500.00, bear in mind he supplied engine oil, coolant, new leads, cap and rotor, alternator belt ,cam sensor,air mass sensor, and the air bipass valve that sits near the throttle body.So I'd allow $3000.00 to $3500.00 for a head overhaul job.# Option 4 Do it yourself ! but you are only saving a grand.....Hope this helps Regards Daz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasw Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Hi Daz,Yes please on the engine in Sydney front.I talked to Euro Car Parts up here late this afternoon when I snapped out of depression temporarily and he said they didn't have my particular engine (B5234T6) but he would check with their other locations in the country. Mentioned $1670 for a "similar" engine.What does the last number designate by the way which in my case is a 6?This might buy me some time anyway to feel around for another shop quote and save me having to tow the car one more time from where it is currently.The head was done in the last 40K and I replaced all things timing and ancillary belt wise in the last few months. Yes I know. Why didn't I do the water pump while I had the belt off. Idiot move in hindsight.I'll PM you with contact details to pass on t0 the Sydney mob. Oh. And it's Thomas not Dave Thanks again Daz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzantushka1568908311 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Thomas - you haz mail...Darren, Agree - it's almost a A$4,000 excercise over here to do that sort of stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scandia1568908312 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 So. Dave. You still have the 88K engine lying around collecting dust? I do I do. . . . .Just let me know. Be glad to help in anyway i can ! !..........Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasw Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Thank You all. Weighing up some local options at the moment (thanks Trent/Daz) with one of them being a person from another forum I'm on working for a dealer offering me an exchange engine for $5K roughly.Would still be up for massive labour bill to remove the old unit and fit the new one. The one quote I do have is $3300. That and still a wait for unit to be shipped from Sweden.Still unsure which way to go But thanks to you guys I have option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasw Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 We need the R back on the road so rather than rip the head off of it and find worse things possibly I have opted for an engine swap. Engine has 196K on it and a cook will not have done it any favours I suspect.Thanks to Trent and Daz we found a suitable engine in Sydney and after some interesting phone calls got it for a reasonable (Australian) price. I would loved to have taken Dave's engine off him but I really need it in a short time frame so had to go locally. Thanks again Dave. Trent may be contacting you though Now the engine donor is a 98 C70 and the engine code is B5234T3. From what I have been led to believe this should just bolt straight in taking my turbo, manifolds, gearbox, etc. Yet. I went and saw the people I have lined up for the swap and the guy there tells me the T3 is going to be an issue in the R (Current engine is the B5234T6)? Different sump and a few other things they have had "problems" with in the past?!Anybody know different from experience? I am so over this If I didn't love the R's so much I would have put a bullet in it Elvis style by now. Warranted or not Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzantushka1568908311 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Not much help but...Some is better than none! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasw Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Thanks Trent. The B5234T6 doesn't seem to get a mention though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasw Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Found this1998 U.S. V70R AWD Automatic:- Engine: Volvo B5234 T6 2.3L- Output: 236hp - Max Torque: 229 ft lbs at 2400-5400 rpms ( 310 Nm/40-90 rps)- 16T turbo- 16" Meteors wheels- 4-spd auto and Selectable Shift Modes (Economy/Sport/Winter), final drive ratio: 2.54- Traction Control System (TRACS) - Standard- 285hp / 290 ft/lbs with IPD chip and exhaust- 3,788 lbs.US spec but does that mean turbo on mine would be 16T then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzantushka1568908311 Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Thanks Trent. The B5234T6 doesn't seem to get a mention though The OP has the same problem as you - his original motor is a B5234T6... Except he's found a B5234T.Also, Australian delivered Rs follow the European spec.IIRC:B5234T3 had the TD04-16T and was used for Aussie delivered T5 versionsWith the new motor are you going to swap over all your R specific bits?(i.e. injectors, turbo etc?)I am sure someone with more experience on both US and EUR spec R-s can help.Big Will? TrentUS spec but does that mean turbo on mine would be 16T then Could be - a quick squiz (er.. I mean look) would validate this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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