Plan_B Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 you americans and your guns haha←It really is very scary, especially the new laws in Florida :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 It really is very scary, especially the new laws in Florida ←Jesus. Ok I'll bite. Whats scary about FL new law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan_B Posted May 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Jesus. Ok I'll bite. Whats scary about FL new law?←The fact that you can no dispatch someone if you FEEL they are attacking you, this is what I saw on Dateline NBC last night, granted I didn't see the whole thing, but from what I understand dip shitz Jeb signed that into law several days ago. lease correct me if I am wrong. :excl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 The fact that you can no dispatch someone if you FEEL they are attacking you, this is what I saw on Dateline NBC last night, granted I didn't see the whole thing, but from what I understand dip shitz Jeb signed that into law several days ago. lease correct me if I am wrong. ←Ok you pretty much got it. But that law was always there. The only thing that changed was they removed the duty to retreat. So heres how it changed. No liberal spin, no right slant. This is how it works:Old Way. Walking down the street someone pulls a knife on you and stabs you. You had to run away before using deadly force. If you were unable to run you could use deadly force.New Way. Walking down the street someone pulls a knife on you and stabs you. BANGIts the same as in your house. All they did was remove the duty to retreat. If someone punches you and you shoot them, your going to jail. Basic rules are you need preclusion and justification. You can be exempt from preclusion in certain cases but there is always the need for justification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan_B Posted May 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Thanks for that explination Charles, makes more sense now. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt1122 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Do they have to actually *stab* you, or is the assault by threat enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin390 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Do they have to actually *stab* you, or is the assault by threat enough?←your life or the lives of others have to be in immediate danger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 your life or the lives of others have to be in immediate danger!←Correct. I cannot even venture a guess at how jurys will find here. But based on past cases, 2 on 1 your ok, if they have a knife you still better try to retreat or atleast get cut, if they have a gun its a clean shoot, if someone else is with you and your protecting them, if your knocked to the ground your ok. Alot of weird cases here. Like someone walks into your house in the middle of the night, FL is one of the few states where you can probably get a clean shoot by shooting them in the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhoeve Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Here is how I would like it. If someone pulls a deadly weapon(not a gun) but is stationary, you can pull your gun but not shoot them. If they approach, bang. If someone pulls a deadly weapon and approaches simultaneously, bang.Does this not work? I don't think you should have to be assaulted to start shooting. Isn't there something about imminent threat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Here is how I would like it. If someone pulls a deadly weapon(not a gun) but is stationary, you can pull your gun but not shoot them. If they approach, bang. If someone pulls a deadly weapon and approaches simultaneously, bang.Does this not work? I don't think you should have to be assaulted to start shooting. Isn't there something about imminent threat?←No, you have to retreat in every state except florida. Also if I pull a weapon and dont use it I go to jail. Its kinda weak. But they law does not allow you to brandish. I agree, a draw and low ready may save somebodys life and a lot of court. But with the laws now, you draw it better go bang. Also stops people from saying he pulled a gun on me for no reason. Dead men tell no tales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhoeve Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 never heard of the retreat thing, but I don't like it. clearly these legislators are out of touch with fight or flight. split second decisions are made on odds, and the odds of getting bagged because I started to run then tripped and fell and dropped my gun are a lot higher than if i had stood there at the ready. flight is a risk. not willing to gamble my safety for the sake of others.new FL law = good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan_B Posted May 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Last week in Portland this 19 year kid stole a mini van, lead police on a high spead chase, the cops got him surrounded he pulled forward, there was not a cops in front of his van, no cops where is harms way, and the second the kid pulled forward they shot him dead!, that to me is BS. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin390 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 here is one for ya Grant.In the late 60's and into the 70's there was a higher number of abortions. Now in the late 80's and into the 90's there was an overall decrease in the level of crime(s). Could it be argueed that the increased number of abortions lead to the decrease in crime?But I do agree the retreat rule is BS.I was 13 and someone broke into my house while I was home ( on crutches after surgery) one walked into my room with a knife the other a bar, I had my shotgun and was behind my bed. Not much was said by the deputies who responded nor the "DA". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Last week in Portland this 19 year kid stole a mini van, lead police on a high spead chase, the cops got him surrounded he pulled forward, there was not a cops in front of his van, no cops where is harms way, and the second the kid pulled forward they shot him dead!, that to me is BS. ←Ok theres the door, climb out of the clos..... box. They may have been worried he would take off again. IE run over someone two miles down the road. I think your over looking the simple fact the kid was an idiot. He was surrounded and tried to get froggy again? I hope the cop shot him through the hips. Ken I agree with you yet again. FL law = good. Same with castle doctrin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan_B Posted May 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Ok theres the door, climb out of the clos..... box. They may have been worried he would take off again. IE run over someone two miles down the road. I think your over looking the simple fact the kid was an idiot. He was surrounded and tried to get froggy again? I hope the cop shot him through the hips. Ken I agree with you yet again. FL law = good. Same with castle doctrin.←I agree the kid was an idiot, but when he slowly pulled forward, with no one in his path, I do not feel they need to dispatch him.Did anyone see the last Saturday's episode of "Cops", from Seattle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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