gdizzle Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Yes, it was hurting wallets. ←pa dunk.....CHING!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdizzle Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 In all seriousness:1. I'd have probably banned you too Kevin. George has a pretty great site in SS and had put lots of time and effort into it. He has the support and backing of VCNA which says alot for a corporation to recognize the influence of an online performance community. I've known George personally for about 5 years, and respect him very much. I don't think you were as helpful as you made yourself out to be. I seem to remember plenty of pointless posts.2. Yeah SS has its issues, but which site doesn't? You are right about the 850/S70 forums being lame and over-run by JRL and his somewhat Jackass-ness. But SS panders far more to P2 oweners (R speciflcally). Why? Perhaps because thats where the $$ is. Not in a buch of kids who drive Mommy's and Daddy's hand-me-down sedans. On SS the rich R owners complain about sample defects in thier $40k cars. On VS there is a new thread each day called "MY MF-N' NEW TINT BIOTCHES!!" Its just as lame.3. George doesn't sell stuff on here. You are thinking of George from VP Tuning.4. Kai may not have been the brightest guy, and he may have been kind of a hotdog on the forums, but in real-life he was just a guy that wanted to prove Volvo's could be fast. He got screwed by EIP Tuning (the work he paid them for was embarassing) and fell victim to to some bad luck (combined with some over-eagerness). I saw his motor in its "glory" as well as in its shambles. You guys can pick at him all day, but how many on here have a dyno sheet of 350+ whp. His car was fast, he proved alot of people wrong around here (DC area).5. I like VS. I like it better than SS. But its different, you have to admit it. All the hating on SS is stupid. You never hear the T-bricks guys hating on VS or SS. Some of you guys need to grow up.←I couldn't agree more on all your points Chris. George and Chris both are great guys and both put a lot of time into the site. I see nothing wrong with what George did and if you ask me, Kevin got what was coming to him. He was warned several times and paid no mind to them. Also, Kai's a really nice guy, did a lot for the FWD volvo tuning world, no need to hate on him. Doug and Kai are just too much alike.... :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest_PyroTech_* Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 you just cant read every board all the time, so sometimes you have to pick a primary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exexpat Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 The sad thing IMO is that the Volvo community needs to hop between 3+ forums, depending on which car they have. VS has majority share of 1993-2000, SS has 2001-up and Turbobricks seems to have pre-1993 and all RWD nailed. When I was a VWVortex poster, the site was capable of housing all model, theme and regional-specific needs and capture every user demographic. I can understand George's decision to capture the 2001-up market, given the other two were reasonably taken, but I don't question his decision. I am not complaining about being led here, and I really like the level of activity, given that I drive a 1993-2000 car. From an ethics and etiquette view, you can't just walk into the competition and pull people away to your shop, regardless of the business, hobby or religion you're in. That just causes bad blood and perpetuates the hostility between sites.I'm staying on the fence for this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 To clarify:About two months ago, I had a complaint from a user that Kevin was spamming via PM. We don't make a habit of reading PMs, but will if a situation warrants. I went in, and 100% of his PMs were pushing people to go to Volvospeed, saying how much better he believes it is than Swedespeed, and the funny part was that most were just a form statement (click and paste stuff). Okay, that's pretty blatant spamming, against our user agreement, etc., but Kevin was prominent in the forums and like he said, he helps folks out, so I ask him to stop, point out that what he's doing is spamming. I figure he's probably just overly proud of the community he's helped create over here, and I tell him as much, but I also tell him he has to stop.Fast forward several months to today. I see in the thread that Johann posted in , where Kevin is taking his quiet jabs at us, and I remember to go check up on him and see if he stopped. I wasn't all that surprised to see that he hasn't. 100% of his PMs AGAIN, are pitching Volvospeed. He dropped the click and paste routine, but it's not even like he could throw in a gratuitious one to some guy saying "Hey nice car!" without peddling the site.Sorry, that's too blatant, and I'm not going to just stand there while someone takes shots at us and tries to steal our readership.The sad thing is, all this really achieves through this public display of a thread is potentially making bad blood between sites. The Volvo community has always been pretty split. It's a shame that's perpetuated through some crap situation like this. In his email to me, and cross-posted above, it appears Kevins is already trying to create some dividing line... "So, now that I have pretty much the entire Volvospeed site, alerted to this, none of them (sans Greg) will be helping your site out at all. "I'm not going to contribute to that division. Whatever site these readers, readers of Swedespeed, or both post on... I just hope they enjoy it for the hanging out and talking car thing and not this drama crap... I'll go watch old episodes of 90210 if I want that....just to clarify a couple of points made here...1. Kevin's welcome back if he'll stick to the user agreement.... will he? He hasn't thus far, but like I said, he's welcome back if he follows it AND if he cares (I'm guessing maybe he doesn't at this point).2. Johann was never banned. He chose to leave. I wish him nothing but luck. He is missed.3. This is the first time I ever have posted on this site that I can remember. That poor guy in your classifieds that someone mentioned "always tryign to sell his stuff" isn't me. I hope he's not claiming he is.4. I did send an email to the info@ or whatever general email to Volvospeed when this first went down with Kevin. I never got a response. I hear the message was never received, so you may want to check whatever email is in your contact area.5. You won't see me spamming this site, and if you see a SS moderator blatantly spamming this site trying to take readers to SS, then my door is open (george@swedespeed.com) . I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't take action.6. Swedespeed is continually hitting record numbers on traffic, and that's in a really slow news year for Volvo with few new models coming out. Check Alexa if you don't believe me. Don't worry too much about our traffic declining. We'll get by.Good luck with the site guys. It's a nice community. It's a shame, I miss the days when there were fewer posters but were more active, about the sweet spot this site is in now. It's a pattern though, we saw it with Vortex, we see it now with Swedespeed. Site grows, becomes less intimate, more personalities bang heads, but site is bigger and a bigger resource. There are goods and bads to growing, but when you do (and I truly hope you do) progress to that, you'll have the exact same problems. It's a cycle all growing sites hit, and all of us say we want to avoid "this time" around. Maybe you will. More power to you if you do. george@swedespeed←Hey buddy lets work on something. If I want to say something to lets say kevin, I don't send an e-mail to whatever@whatever.com. I look up his e-mail address and and I contact him, or have someone do it for me. Its like if one your members threatened to hack my site and I contacted whatever@ss.com. If you did not reply its not because you agree with your members. Although I am a huge fan of the wookie defense/offense. As for Alexa it uses data from tool bars, and is a very easy program to manipulate. Analog data is a much better compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdizzle Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 From a "business" standpoint it's understandable why Kevin got banned.From a "supporting the entire volvo community" standpoint it's pretty ghey that he got banned.I personally don't see how VS is a threat to SS. Different demos to the same "community" [as Volvokiller already eluded to]. It's a shame SS doesn't see the benefit in sharing the wealth.←Read everything again Mike, you don't quite have it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R4Life Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Man the drama.All I have to say is "Dont be hatin!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stig Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 exactly.. You come around long enough, become a regular.. you get the first name treatment.←That's right. For example, we all refer to '98S70R by his first name - Rebecca.In all seriousness, I think this situation is being blown out of proportion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maiku Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 they are afraid to join the VS side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendall Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Here is my take on all this... Kevin is absolutely wonderful. Not a week or two goes by that Charlie and I dont talk about how I truly believe one of the smarter things we did was making him an OH Mod. Who else is going to be nice to the members, anyway? The only thing Kevin has ever been given here at the VS community is a Mod title. And that was mainly given bc he was just around all the time and seemed like a nice guy.He was not a founder of the site or had anything to do with its a start up. He has no vested interest in this site, except maybe getting a better deal on some new stereo equiptment, haha. Yet for whatever reason he goes above and beyond to promote this site, be one of the most helpful members/mods (Rich still takes the cake), is still nice to members when we arent, and truly puts a huge amount of himself into something as ridiculous as this site. Very few people (myself included) go to such great lengths to be that dedicated to anything in our lives, no less a volvo message board! So whether you believe what he did was out of line, misguided or cool it really doesnt matter because Kevins a good guy and doesnt deserve to have people arguing over whether what he did was right or wrong. Feel free to start another thread if you so feel the need to say more on this matter, it will not be closed (in theory). But, for now, I get the last word on Kevin and what he did dammit!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdizzle Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 awwww...... :*( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theunderlord Posted June 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Thank you very much Kendall. I'm lucky to be part of a team here. I won't ever take that for granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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