Zappo Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 Darn, you're stubborn. ←And you aren't? I am sure that Doug will test it when he does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98BRICK Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 im still concerned about the piping sizes...is anyone else or just me? maybe im micro thinking this but...if possible...i think 2.5 for hot and 2.25 for cold??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ping138 Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 98 Brick would seem to be right there the nature of hotter air is to move faster so it would do better in the larger pipe, id assume, plus the "Data" that Zulu refers to....where is it? All I see is smoke blowing and an intercooler with a crap load of extra piping and a slightly oversized core, pressure loss, spool time? Dougs nuts are comfy so I'm getting on them too, the atech with no AC (as i run) is way better idea if it is set up properly, and how is Atech better for people who dont wannaspend the$ Zulu?? Its like 1200, FMIC can be done with your same core for much less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98BRICK Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 98 Brick would seem to be right there the nature of hotter air is to move faster so it would do better in the larger pipe, id assume, plus the "Data" that Zulu refers to....where is it? All I see is smoke blowing and an intercooler with a crap load of extra piping and a slightly oversized core, pressure loss, spool time? Dougs nuts are comfy so I'm getting on them too, the atech with no AC (as i run) is way better idea if it is set up properly, and how is Atech better for people who dont wannaspend the$ Zulu?? Its like 1200, FMIC can be done with your same core for much less.←i took zulu's idea and added spacers between my atech and the radiator (after removing the a/c)...ping u ever take out the condensor, too?i took one look at that system of belts and pulleys and decided to hold off until i cood find someone w/ more experience than me...hehehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricF Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 If no one on here could talk unless they had data...Volvospeed would go out of business, along with every other car messageboard.No one would learn anything, or think, and it would be lonely and boring.Think about the things that are being said, and formulate logical responses or counter-points, or just ignore them. No sense in trying to silence relatively good discussion... People talk about K&N and dumb crap like that all day without any data, but no one goes in and stomps all over their daisies.I'll be running MS in my 850 so I will have very accurate IAT readings and datalogs, but the thing is that I'm only going to do either Atech or FMIC. I don't really care to spend a day or two's work and the money on parts necessary just to prove a point on some internet forum, and I don't think anyone else does either, unless they have a product to sell and can recoup the cost for their time that way.No sense in shooting down reasonable discussion. If you think your opinion is better, explain why. If you don't care to talk about it until you see results, don't talk about it. Don't try to stop others from trying to understand the issue at hand and the different ways of attacking it.Does anyone need a civilized rant on something completely trivial? That seems to be my specialty of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Posted July 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 98 Brick would seem to be right there the nature of hotter air is to move faster so it would do better in the larger pipe, id assume, plus the "Data" that Zulu refers to....where is it? All I see is smoke blowing and an intercooler with a crap load of extra piping and a slightly oversized core, pressure loss, spool time? Dougs nuts are comfy so I'm getting on them too, the atech with no AC (as i run) is way better idea if it is set up properly, and how is Atech better for people who dont wannaspend the$ Zulu?? Its like 1200, FMIC can be done with your same core for much less. ←The piping size was based upon fitment. I said I wasn't going to say anything else until I had "Data," that was the point. Extra piping??? The added length, which is slight, is easily made up for by the lack of bends. Get a good Spearco FMIC and someone respectable to do your setup on This car and the $ will come out nearly the same, if not more. Only reason it was cheaper for me was because I have the right friends and consequently, I got the core cheap and the work at a good price. I'm not stuff talking in anyway, I have my opinions of FMIC vs Atech and they were stated, I wanted to end the discussion until both sides had hard information to back it up so as to stop this 'smoke blowing.' And there is "Data" lying around that I have put forth in favor of FMIC setups for Volvos, as Kevin likes to say Search. Anyways, stuff talking makes for competition...and that's the only way things get done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DougK Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 ←I've been there done that.IF you read Im not cutting on your set up at all, its good for what it is, but there are other solutions that are more attractive to me and my experience out there. If you really think your setup is perfect then you shouldn't be concerned. But since it seems you are some experience of others must be soaking through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Posted July 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 I've been there done that.IF you read Im not cutting on your set up at all, its good for what it is, but there are other solutions that are more attractive to me and my experience out there. If you really think your setup is perfect then you shouldn't be concerned. But since it seems you are some experience of others must be soaking through.←I'm just tired of all this talking and no information, people want answers and others pretend like they have them, and there is no information provided? That's why I didn't wanna say anymore till I had solid stuffMove it out front and work on flow and trust me it'll out perform a short wide "FMIC". You can continue to beat off to what you think is best though.Just another instance of this type of thing, even though I know you have the knowledge and experience...I get this instead. Whatever, you understand what I'm saying, it embodies 95% of VS I'm just trying to pull that 5%. I don't think mine is perfect, just better...but just like you said, it's more attractive to me and my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98BRICK Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 The piping size was based upon fitment. I said I wasn't going to say anything else until I had "Data," that was the point. Extra piping??? The added length, which is slight, is easily made up for by the lack of bends. Get a good Spearco FMIC and someone respectable to do your setup on This car and the $ will come out nearly the same, if not more. Only reason it was cheaper for me was because I have the right friends and consequently, I got the core cheap and the work at a good price. I'm not stuff talking in anyway, I have my opinions of FMIC vs Atech and they were stated, I wanted to end the discussion until both sides had hard information to back it up so as to stop this 'smoke blowing.' And there is "Data" lying around that I have put forth in favor of FMIC setups for Volvos, as Kevin likes to say Search. Anyways, stuff talking makes for competition...and that's the only way things get done.←please dont get defensive...i, fer one...am just asking in an effort to better understand...i applaud/appreciate ur efforts...i probably wood have done things a little different...well, maybe alot different, but thats just me...we're all werking towards a common goal....good luck...:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHEIII874T5M Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 ugh, done already??? I was hoping to get in on the ibattle 2That sucks.Well, what about the fact that the hot pipe is running between the a/c condensor and the radiator. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DougK Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 I'm just tired of all this talking and no information, people want answers and others pretend like they have them, and there is no information provided? That's why I didn't wanna say anymore till I had solid stuffJust another instance of this type of thing, even though I know you have the knowledge and experience...I get this instead. Whatever, you understand what I'm saying, it embodies 95% of VS I'm just trying to pull that 5%. I don't think mine is perfect, just better...but just like you said, it's more attractive to me and my experience. ←Its just something simple logic and prior experience on other cars has taught me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Posted July 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 Its just something simple logic and prior experience on other cars has taught me. ←...you just don't quit do you? Simple logic...there is evidence that both of us are right, so what are you trying to say? Have you had a FMIC on a Volvo, or rather this specific one...or are you just making assumptions without information to back it? People assume things based on experience all the time and are wrong, I don't see how you can shut this out and insult me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Posted July 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 ugh, done already??? I was hoping to get in on the ibattle 2That sucks.Well, what about the fact that the hot pipe is running between the a/c condensor and the radiator. ←lol We'll talk about it in person tonight or soon, if you can show me another pipe setup that doesn't require 4X the pipes or bends than :pizza: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackT5 Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 It's hard to say which setup will work more effectively. I do remember "Sasso" recently switched from a Atech IC to a Spearco front mount setup and said "All I can say is now 10 PSI is what use to feel like about 15, I love the new setup." His core size is L21"/W3"/H8. This is similar to what i'm going to run, mainly because I can't bring myself to spend 1K on a fuukin IC.Now, he is also running a much more efficient turbo... Most people on here, including myself, are pushing a lot of boost though a very small turbo. This is creating a LOT of extra heat, both from the compressor being well out of it's efficiency range and from the tiny little turbine. I know that very few will venture into t3/t4 land because of cost etc.. but this will help get a much cooler charge, as well as free up things on the exhaust side.Man I want my new turbo... anyone care to make a donation to the "Help Mark get a fast brick fund"?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cRRRRazy Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 ...you just don't quit do you? Simple logic...there is evidence that both of us are right, so what the hell are you trying to say? Have you had a FMIC on a Volvo, or rather this specific one...or are you just making assumptions without information to back it? People assume things based on experience all the time and are wrong, I don't see how you can shut this out and insult me.←happens all the time here.....................trust me(moroso tranny cooler??) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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