WHOS THE NEXT PRESIDENT

[ontheheel]

you want something that isn't supported by the US government? http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/s...,845725,00.html

--there is bin laden's letter, read it for yourself before you spout off things to which you have no knowledge of. i tried to be civil at first, but i'm sick of taking baseless, heated insults to both myself and my ideology. i apologize if my civilty has worn thin.

[gdizzle]

what!

[InlineTurbo]

Name one thing Bush has over Kerry,

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He doesn't have multiple positions on every issue.

Lets recap:

Kerry is:

1) Against the 1st Gulf War.

2) For the 2nd Gulf War (but only for the "threat" of using force even though he voted for war)

3) Against Funding the war (Even though he said not funding it was irresponsable and demagogues on troops not having body armor even though he voted against the bill with the body armor in it)

4) For Abortion Publicly

5) Against Abortion Privately (Oh, yeah he's Catholic too which means you can't be pro abortion)

6) For the Patriot Act

7) Against the Patriot Act

Oh and a topic near and dear to his heart:

8) For Vietnam

9) Against Vietnam

10) For Vietnam again

(Is that a flip flop when you get back to your original position?)

If you can't see a record of Political Expediency by Kerry then you are hardly an objective person.

Oh and on a related top can you guys believe the Demagoguery on the new Overtime Law. It GAURANTEES people making less than 25K overtime and cuts people making over 100K off, but the Democrats are out screaming that it is UNFAIR, TERRIBLE, ANTI-Middle class. And that is just one loser sentator from Iowa. Others are saying even more unbelievable things. How can a party that is for minimum wage be against paying for overtime? It follows with their mantra: "Get your version of the truth out fist." Never mind that there is no such thing as a 'version' of the truth. Hey it worked for Goebbels.

Go IRAQI soccer!

[swdracr]

okay, whos the as sclown that moved this to off topic ?

(I'm betting starts with L and ends with egend.) Makes perfect sense to me, since any of the posts even counted, and there are so many more important things going on in the polls forum that this was overshadowing. Could've sworn I was the polls mod.. <_<

[s70Rbumper:)]

Okay, I can respect you if you are voting for Bush because you like his administration better, but please don't tell me you're voting for him because you actually think he is an effective president! Bush has got to be the most moronic president in US history. I don't feel very safe with a president with a IQ lower than mine :P

[fromtheshadows]

hmmm, what r u trying to prove with bin ladens letter? ive read it. what's your point. as i've said before, it was a built argument. pay close attention to the first point, cause its prolly the most important one. whats youre point? are you trying to argue that if we didnt have such strong ties to Israel we wouldnt have been attacked? you wont sell that here sucka...

I will only defend Kerry on one point. All others will follow suit. Kerry was for the Iraq war under the pretenses that what the US president, Dubya, was telling him and the american people was truth. Yeah his mistake was forgetting Dubya is a politician...as for flip floppin...what about bush.Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.

Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.

Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.

Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.

Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.

Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.

Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.

Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.

Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.

Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't.

Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits

Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.

Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island.

Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.

Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will

Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have.

Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote

Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors. Bush later admits it was his advance team.

Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.

so yeah you did find one thing Bush is better at...pat yourself on the back

[fromtheshadows]

unbiased and hits the nail on the head for me http://economist.com/printedition/displayS...tory_ID=2539128

by the way overreading, thats pretty funny 5/32 eskimo. but if he were alive, my great grandfather would scalp your jerk :P

[gdizzle]

by the way overreading, thats pretty funny 5/32 eskimo. but if he were alive, my great grandfather would scalp your jerk 

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hmmmmmm.....don't think so....

[matt1122]

Bush is against...; then he's for it.

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Bush is against something, then learns more about it and changes his mind because he believes (with his new knowledge and understanding of the issue) that it might be a good/bad idea after all.

Kerry is against something, then learns that it is the less popular feeling among democrats and changes his mind having no idea what the hell he is even talking about. Hell, Kerry doesn't even know he feels about it as far as I can see - if it will get him more votes than it will lose him, Kerry will take that side. The result? You really don't know WHAT side Kerry is on on ANY issue and once he becomes president (god forbid) he could vote either way and all you fools will say "... uh... what happened, I thought in your campaign you said *bla bla bla*." Well wake up, you don't know where Kerry stands on most things, and when you do know where he stands you don't know how he plans on accomplishing his goals because he is so vague in everything he says. If John Kerry is elected president he will screw things up so badly it's not even funny. He'll probably be very indecisive all the time as his cabinet members and aids and such tell him their sides of the stories - he'll ump all over the board on every issue and you STILL won't know what the hell he is planning on doing about ANYTHING.

I understand not voting for Bush, but voting for Kerry because you have this "as long as its not bush" mentallity is S T U P I D.

[ontheheel]

ok now you are trying to tell me what bin laden was thinking. no, i do not think they would have been as likely to attack if it were not for our support of israel. but half of his argument had nothing to do with israel.

grow up and stop the name calling. i know this topic can arouse alot of emotions, but try to keep it civil. you are acting as if i am insulting your mother. i'm not, and i have nothing against you other than my vote.

[InlineTurbo]

I will only defend Kerry on one point. All others will follow suit. Kerry was for the Iraq war under the pretenses that what the US president, Dubya, was telling him and the american people was truth. Yeah his mistake was forgetting Dubya is a politician...as for flip floppin...what about bush.Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.

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Ok, so you know that John Kerry was on the Senate Intelligence committe and Edwards is on it right? He gets the same info as Bush does. Oh, and if Bush is so stupid and Kerry and you are so Smart why was Kerry "fooled" by "Bush's" intelligence reports? As if Bush controlls all the information handed to the "SENATE" Intelligence Committee. And I suppose you have a master's degree from Harvard? You can call Bush stupid all you want, but you have not brought any proof to back that up.

You didn't defend one of the VERY major (as opposed to the minor stuff you posted) Kery shift in position. Bringing up the minor stuff that you did was grasping at straws and probably from DU talking points. Making compromises is not flip flopping. Stating two different oppinions on things just because you are talking to two different groups IS. The Bush mislead everybody isn't even a passable defence becuase that would make your guy either: A)Stupid or B)Very Poorly informed in matters of war. Which is even worse since he served on the Senate Intelligence committee during the 90s and is this big war hero. You know John Kerry spent 4 months in Vietnam right? Calling Bush a plitician is true. However Kerry has 20 years experience as a professional politician and a bad reputation for changing his opinion depending on who he is talking to. Yet somehow that is good and Bush compromising with Democrats is bad. Your guy is 'Smart', but gets fooled by a 'Dumb' president. I'm getting dizzy following the logic.

Here is the Dems plan to win Florida this year:

http://www.zaman.org/?bl=international&alt...040824&hn=11709

"Of the 46,000 who are double registered, 68 percent are Democrats, 12 percent are Republican, and 16 percent did not reveal which party they support. "

[fromtheshadows]

no insult intended, honestly i'm just tired of holding your guys hands through this. Bush didnt get the info he needed to invade iraq from any advisory committee , he recieved this info from Cheney and other neocons who set up their own "intelligence" operation within the pentagon. After not finding WMD's they push the failures on the Intelligence/spy research rather than on the big truth, which was the intentional abuse and manipulation of the intelligence to distort and mislead congress, the UN and the American public. ..but of course the investigation is not over, its not set to end until 2005. Well after the November elections. Did anyone in here pay attention to the 9/11 commission? No wonder Bush wanted to end it prematurely..

I'm not voting for Kerry just because a vote against Bush is better than nothing, but to call voting a liar, puppethead, failed businessman,war monger, and special interest caterer out of office stupid, ...well thats you. especially when hes already lost the popular vote once. ...dont even get me started on that governor of FL.

Im not saying bush is a bad person. hes just really dumb. i dunno maybe hes a little book smart, but so are some autistic people. Maybe he does believe that lining the pockets of his dads rich cronies is the right thing to do.maybe he does believe that violence isnt a last resort. maybe he does believe sadam was behind sept. 11th one way or another, or has plutonium reserves somewhere. thats not my call. But his administration has not proved a thing. I'm just worried about who really makes his decisions. because you know hes not the one everytime he opens his mouth.

I am anti Iraq war. I've lost two friends due to the decisions of an administration over 50% of the ppl didnt vote for. for what?

Iraq was not a major threat. If they were we woulndt have attacked them. they wouldve pressed the button. Bush had to do something and he used a scapegoat. You cant see that, youre blind. Hey lets pick on the country weve consistently bombed into smithereens for years. theyre easy and a face the public ppl know are just bad guys.

I wouldve been anti vietnam too...another losing battle. why dont we go back there while were at it, dont we have some bones to pick.

Were not the roman empire, we cant kill everyone in our way. Iraq is surrounded by countried with millions of ppl willing to come for miles to be martyred by an american bullet. Its their key to heaven.

if bush does get reelected, expect the backlash to take form of terrorism on american soil. ...thats why im voting for kerry

[fromtheshadows]

by the way, bush having knowledge, coupled with UNDERSTANDING?... thats hilarious. bush goes the way most politicians go,...the way their told.

noone here cares about environmental issues? such shortsightedness. and typically big business republican mentality. The one celled organisms that live near the surface of the oceans (near coasts where we dump and around the south pole) can change the carbon dioxide into oxygen and food molecules (energy) by photosynthesis. These one celled organisms are called phytoplankton or just plankton. Algae, such as seaweed also undergo photosynthesis. THESE SMALL ORGANISMS PRODUCE THE MAJOR PORTION OF THE OXYGEN FOR BREATHING ON THIS PLANET BY PHOTOSYNTHESIS .

you like breathing right? ...theres one reason not to vote for bush

[ontheheel]

personally, i think moving towards hydrogen is good for the environment as well as good for the economy. big oil thinks it's good too, which is why they are investing lots of money into it. bush thinks its good too. car companies think its good as well. personally, i think hydrogen is the most important environmental issue at hand. and i do support drilling in alaska, because i believe the further we can get away from mid eastern oil, the better off we are. i know peak oil is coming and bla bla bla, which is why i think the moves being made towards hydrogen are very important. in all honesty, i don't think peak oil will be a problem at the current projected time because i don't think we will be using oil at as great a rate as time moves on, and eventually barely at all. i am all for alternative fuels, so as long as we continue to pursue them, im not going to say much. yes it is bad right now, but i think it will be getting better in the forseeable future. call me naive, but i think otherwise, it would be overtly cynical.

[kenhoeve]

currently the largest source of hydrogen is natural gas, and of course it is energy deficient, meaning lots more natural gas than equivalent hydrogen.