HPTDoh Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 so who's making the popcorn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt1122 Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Alright, shut up.Porsche is not owned by VAG. VW group owns Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Seat, Skoda, and VW. That's it.And are you actually saying Ford owns Lotus? NO!!!!! Ford owns themselves, Lincoln, Mercury, Mazda, Volvo, Jaguar, Land Rover, Aston Martin. As far as I know the only non-racing collaboration with Lotus by Fordr was for the Cortina and that was back in the 60s. PS - Lotus is STILL a small company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaterp Posted November 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 The Porsche 944 owes it's heritage to a contract held by Porsche in the early 1970's to fully develop a new Audi sports coupe (model 477) for Volkswagon-Audi to replace the jointly marketed VW-Porsche 914. Porsche's design team was headed by Tony Lapine, whist the 924's design was by Harm Lagaay. Upon completion of the contract (code-named EA425), VW-Audi (VAG) found itself in financial trouble and decided to shelve the project. Porsche saw the potential of the "almost ready to market" EA425 to broaden their model base and market appeal, negotiated with Audi and bought out the rights to build and release the 4-cylinder front-engined water-cooled model as the Porsche 924. Porsche started development on EA425 after their own 928 project was already past the concept stage. Therefore, it made sense for the EA425 to share common design concepts, although, WV-Audi had briefed Porsche to incorporate as many VAG parts as possible. The 924 was effectively a scaled-down, lower-cost version of the 928 concept. And they still have the contract , VAG and porsche are still one , just like you think your crappie dell is made in the USA . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt1122 Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Ferdy Porsche also designed the original VW bug, but VAG DOES NOT OWN PORSCHE. Being CEO and chairman doesn't make you own the company, either.Do you understand how corporations work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R4Life Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Its like talking to a brick wall :josh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StickThatClutch Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 A contract to build one model doesn't mean that a corporation owns another one. By that logic Chrysler group owned Mistubishi or vice-versa during the DSM days or Mistubishi owned Volvo because of the 1st gen S40. The Mini Cooper engine is made by Chrysler. I guess that Damier-Chrysler now owns BMW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R4Life Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 The Porsche 944 owes it's ...And they still have the contract , VAG and porsche are still one , just like you think your crappie dell is made in the USA . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaterp Posted November 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 OEM parts are shared and engines , end of story, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StickThatClutch Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 OEM parts are shared and engines , end of storyNo one disputes this point but how does that make what you were trying to prove true?I mean Bosch made a whole bunch of goodies under the hood of my Swede - I guess my car is German now?You're just spouting off generalities - its not helping your case any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt1122 Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 OEM parts are shared and engines , end of storyBUT NOT WITH LOTUS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exexpat Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 The Porsche 944 owes it's heritage to a contract held by Porsche in the early 1970's to fully develop a new Audi sports coupe (model 477) for Volkswagon-Audi to replace the jointly marketed VW-Porsche 914. Porsche's design team was headed by Tony Lapine, whist the 924's design was by Harm Lagaay. Upon completion of the contract (code-named EA425), VW-Audi (VAG) found itself in financial trouble and decided to shelve the project. Porsche saw the potential of the "almost ready to market" EA425 to broaden their model base and market appeal, negotiated with Audi and bought out the rights to build and release the 4-cylinder front-engined water-cooled model as the Porsche 924. Porsche started development on EA425 after their own 928 project was already past the concept stage. Therefore, it made sense for the EA425 to share common design concepts, although, WV-Audi had briefed Porsche to incorporate as many VAG parts as possible. The 924 was effectively a scaled-down, lower-cost version of the 928 concept. And they still have the contract , VAG and porsche are still one , just like you think your crappie dell is made in the USA .How does this mean that VW and Porsche are one company?A contract to build one model doesn't mean that a corporation owns another one. By that logic Chrysler group owned Mistubishi or vice-versa during the DSM days or Mistubishi owned Volvo because of the 1st gen S40. The Mini Cooper engine is made by Chrysler. I guess that Damier-Chrysler now owns BMW?Before Audi NSU Auto Union was acquired by Volkswagen, it was a subsidiary of Daimler. Audi supplied the diesel motors to the 850. Do you all realize what this means? I can run Mercedes wheels my car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R4Life Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Before Audi NSU Auto Union was acquired by Volkswagen, it was a subsidiary of Daimler. Audi supplied the diesel motors to the 850. Do you all realize what this means? I can run Mercedes wheels on my car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StickThatClutch Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 I can run Mercedes wheels my car!Oh so that's how they fit! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exexpat Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 <6 degrees to Gottlieb Daimler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaterp Posted November 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Okay for last time , the volvo 850 N/A engine was desined by lotus, no if and or buts, I know for a fact . sorry you guys can't get on the web all night you will not find anything, but it's true. My uncle in the UK was on on the design team in 1977 and gave it to volvo in 1979. good luck with the web stuff. If you don't think VAG is backing/ Porcshe you need to go back to sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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