S60r Gt Dyno (results And Pics)

[Dane O'Shea]

Anyone here who had driven the R will definately be able to say it is underpowered. I drove the R MT and did comparisons from 40-60mph and 60-90 mph. Both times it was noticeably slower than my T5. Yes, my car is modded, but at the time I did this the only mod i had was my ecu and a k&n. Although, I don't think all of them are total dogs, but a high majority are. I have video of one from one of my friends visit to california. The guy driving said it was stock. He was running 13.8's at almost 101 mph. I'm still trying to get the video on my computer, when I do I will post it.

The only way I would buy one is if I could dyno it first ;)

[ChuckV]

Kai managed 260whp on the stock dyno of his R. I think 230-250 is reasonable for most MT cars. BTW the C&D time was 14.0@100. Minor detail, but I thought I'd post it. The car C&D tested also out-ran the Evo they tested after 100mph.

I think the R makes a legitimate 300hp. I've never found a car with less hp that could out run it. Zs are much slower.

And I don't think underpowered is the word given that C&D's time will beat nearly every car here, moded or not.

It will definitely do 0-100kmh in well under 7 second . Everytime I've measured 5-60mph acceleration, it's been consistant at 5.8. Launch should improve that by at least a couple of tenths. 60-90 in a very consistant 5.4-5.6 seconds, vaying between the two with temperature. 5-100 is between 12.5 and 14 depending on the temperature (the R is very dependant on temperature for its performance)

The car isn't sickly rocketship fast. But it's faster than the vast majority of cars on the road, and pretty much everything under $50k, with a few notable exceptions. (STi, I think. Vette. Cobra. Elise)

I'm trading my car in on Friday or Saturday depending on when the Porsche dealer gets my car in. If it's Saturday, I MIGHT have time to go to the track to destroy my clutch before trading it in to get you guys some times .

[Guest 2g4 S60RManual]

yeah, hitting 0-60 in less than 6 seconds is easy for me, full power is deffinitely there dyno or not i trust my volvo :D

[Guest Guest]

Your naivety and adolescence is appalling. If you honestly think "Something's deffinitely not right if the car(s) puts down less than advertised," you really have a lot of learning to do, and I mean that in the most sincere way possible. Such a train of thought will hurt you in the future in many different aspects aside from dealing with cars.

y do i always have to defend this boy, maybe its because im from GA (plus im not as naive as you, and have the eyes to look and realize what people are meaning/saying, its obvious in his case)

but Joe you do have a way of making someone's words fit your own ideals, there is nothing naive about saying something is wrong with the car

1)you are calling volvo liars basically

2)it has been proven through tests that the car puts down as advertised, kai's car for example

3)if the car isnt putting out its power potential/what it should be and is tuned to put out (obviously they are not) then something indeed IS wrong with the cars

4)u make it sound like volvo made a 200hp engine and advertised it as a 300hp engine

get real

i notice i only come here to retaliate against your own naive ways of thinking im glaaad im not a member here too much bitching and ONE too many "know it alls"

[Guest 2g4 S60RManual]

y do i always have to defend this boy, maybe its because im from GA (plus im not as naive as you, and have the eyes to look and realize what people are meaning/saying, its obvious in his case)

but Joe you do have a way of making someone's words fit your own ideals, there is nothing naive about saying something is wrong with the car

1)you are calling volvo liars basically

2)it has been proven through tests that the car puts down as advertised, kai's car for example

3)if the car isnt putting out its power potential/what it should be and is tuned to put out (obviously they are not) then something indeed IS wrong with the cars

4)u make it sound like volvo made a 200hp engine and advertised it as a 300hp engine

get real

i notice i only come here to retaliate against your own naive ways of thinking im glaaad im not a member here too much bitching and ONE too many "know it alls"

was me

[NaturalMystic79]

I didn't know this was going to turn into a oh yeah! fest.

Really? C'mon man, this is Volvospeed. Almost every post turns out like this.

[matt1122]

I agree that something is left to be desired, but honestly I wasn't impressed at all by the S60R's performance - it felt about equal to my modded 850Rs performance, except for handling of course, which was MUCH better and it was also easier to actually make it perform. But highway pull didn't feel any better, honestly. That doesn't mean its underpowered based on specs, though.

Consider the 300hp has a heavy AWD, heavy duty semi-active chassis system and an AWD drivetrain loss. A T5 based 850 with about 285hp is capable of 0-60 in under 6 seconds in real conditions, a magazine modified time could probably be down around 5.5 seconds, just like the S60Rs, with a perfect launch. Is the 15hp really enough to make a big difference when you add in AWD and the SAC system?

I think the HP is getting lost somewhere on the Dyno because of improper testing and inreliability of the Dyno. Have any of you tried an OBD-II device's HP/Dyno test? What did it turn up?

[Mike H.]

I think the HP is getting lost somewhere on the Dyno because of improper testing and inreliability of the Dyno.  Have any of you tried an OBD-II device's HP/Dyno test?  What did it turn up?

I don't think the dyno is unreliable. IMO, the MAHA dyno is the most accurate of them all. It's also used on the results that Johann has posted on his website. I still think it's that hickup in the band that's at fault.

[Johann]

Kai managed 260whp on the stock dyno of his R.

So Kai's car is the benchmark of all??

First look at the difference between a dynojet and the MAHA system used by Mike.

The dynojet measures wheel HP whith a "Rule of thumb lets say 1.26 because the Audi's do so..."

The MAHA measures wheel HP, friction and drive train losses and calculates the crank output and only the crank output. It is the sole purpose of that machine to show these numbers.

The MAHA system is a static system, there is a constant load on the engine, not spinning up a drum and calculate the power used to do this.

In Mike's case there have been 3 runs in manual GT mode.

When you use a dynojet system with the HALDEX it will swing the rear axle and disengage. What is being measured is mostly FWD action and that is why the wheel HP numbers are high(Relative). Add to that that there is nearly no friction between tire and drum instead of the tire being "wasted" between two smaller rollers of the MAHA system. All these losses are measured.

The MAHA system completely rules out the "rule of thumb" part and show crank torque and power within 1-2%. (Within 1% if calibrated regulary)

The biggest problem in this situation is that most US folk only measure the dyno jet way. wheel HP numbers and nothing more. Most simply do not understand what a system like the MAHA does yet can tell that it isn't right.....

Over the last couple of months I have been present or informed about the test results of many more R's than most can imagine. All these R's show the same results. 5-7% below torque spec.

Not one single exclusion......

The latest S60R measure did 366 Nm and 288 HP! Immediately after the R a new S40T5 was tested at 325 Nm / 225 HP.

There has been close contact with dyno systems suppliers, reference testing with other cars, reference testing by bench testing(!) Porsche engine and later dyno test them after the engine's have been mounted in the car (Difference within 1%!!!) etc.etc.

The outcome it that the R can reach it's 300 HP. Mostly 298-303 HP but at higher RPM compared to spec. EWG and SAE production verification testing allows +/- 5% tolerance at the manufacturer specified RPM with a margin of +5% of that RPM. In Volvo's case 5400 RPM specified up to 5670 RPM. nearly all R's reach 300 HP somewhere between 5900 RPM and 6800 RPM (Close to limiter).

Volvo specifies 400 Nm (294 lb-ft) at 1950 RPM. R's have been load tested at 2000-2200 RPM for weeks... 320 Nm is the highest measured (235 lb-ft), verified, rechecked etc.. etc..

At 2500 RPM there's between 360 and 380 Nm available, no 400 Nm.

Most R's show a huge dip in mid area lowering the torque by roughly 20 Nm. This is the dip which some people can experience during driving.

Mike's R GT is just "yet another" R showing the same numbers.

MAHA systems are used for verification by companies like Audi and Mercedes and even Volvo in the Netherlands have 2 of these systems available. One FWD only in house and one AWD system at a branche training centre in their area.

Gentlemen, these are the facts and the facts only.

Rant on

[Noahkk19]

see NOW I totally understand...

But Johann, is there any explanation you know of or specualte for the numbers being produced not being on point with Volvo's claims?

[JESSEXC]

Why must every post end up like this? I am growing tired of the 3-4 of you ruining every fu#king thread! NOW PLEASE STOP!

[Mike H.]

Well said Johann! There are always going to be "discussions" about dyno results because every one uses a different dyno. If another R wants to do the MAHA tests at AMS please do (they are planning a dyno day soon).

BTW, there are only 2 MAHA dynos that AMS know of in SoCal (maybe CA). One is theirs, the other one is in the testing grounds of MB used by other manufacturers. This one is not accesible to the public.

[Guest DougK]

:: cough :: time to start raising eye brows folks :: cough ::

[J0E]

Why must every post end up like this? I am growing tired of the 3-4 of you ruining every fu#king thread! NOW PLEASE STOP!

Amen.

[J0E]

I've seen dyno results on an S4 on regular 91 craptane and 104 race gas and the difference is significant.

Was the S4 stock?

Most of the high-horsepower Supras in this country pull 800+ RWHP on C16 while they can only muster just around 500 on premium pump.