New Speakers?

[Deltablade]

Something occured to me a few weeks ago while listening to some Jimi Hendrix when I couldn't hear the vocals at all. I realized that some of my speakers don't work. I felt kind of stupid, but after I realized that this could possibly be good, and I could buy some nifty new speakers. So anyway, I am not planning on buying a new HU, just some new speakers. Any suggestions?

[850 Stylzz]

I recently installed Infinity reference al around. The highs are phenomenally crisp and detailed...sometimes a little too much so. Bass is a tad lacking for my taste, but I think that may be expected for a system without a sub. I have also heard they are quite power hungry, so Im not sure if the stock HU can handle them. Bang for the buck wise though, I am very happy.

[Deltablade]

I have heard good things about Infinitys. I have also heard that an audio system with only 4 speakers is better than one with 8 because of the interference of the dash and rear deck speakers reflecting off of the windows.

[wattsat]

I have heard good things about Infinitys. I have also heard that an audio system with only 4 speakers is better than one with 8 because of the interference of the dash and rear deck speakers reflecting off of the windows.

In reality the best system is one with only Two spekers(Well 4 if you count the tweeters) and a Sub.

If you listen to competition sound you will notice that they only have Front speakers or if they have rears will fade them out completely for Sound Quality judging.

When you add rear speakers, especially if they have tweeters they will move the soundstage to the middle of the car. What you are looking for is a sound stage that appers to come from the windshield and preferably the front of the Hood. This is how it would sound if you were at a concert or in a studio. There is not suppose to be sound coming from the rears for music recoreded in 2 Channel Stereo.

Music intentionally recorded in Surround Sound is different, but the vast majority of music is intented to be 2 Channel stereo. Left and Right Front Channels only.

[850 Stylzz]

I have heard good things about Infinitys.  I have also heard that an audio system with only 4 speakers is better than one with 8 because of the interference of the dash and rear deck speakers reflecting off of the windows.

In theory, yes, I will agree with that. Bing made the same point. I do disagree with that though as a matter of function. I do not believe that 4 speakers have the ability to move enough to fill the cabin with adequate sound. Turn the volume (excursion) up enough to make it acceptable, and you are going to distort. Just my 0.02

[Bing_0]

well, i think it all comes down to the kind of speakers and their locations

if you have a set of normal 5.25" coaxials in the front doors running off the headunit, then no, i dont think thats enough sound to fill the car, especially for the back seat passengers, but then again, you ears are only at the front of the car, forward of the seat, so two speakres is capable of filling that space where you are listening, but if you are concerned at all about rear passengers, then rear speakresa era a must.

but...if you have say a set of kicks with decent power to them, or a set of horns, then i whole heartedly think that two speakrse is capable of filling a car. if you dont believe me, see if you can find a local shop with a demo car thatonly features front stage, and sit in the back seat, and have htem turn it up, and you tell me if thats enough sound

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[matt1122]

In theory, yes, I will agree with that. Bing made the same point. I do disagree with that though as a matter of function. I do not believe that 4 speakers have the ability to move enough to fill the cabin with adequate sound. Turn the volume (excursion) up enough to make it acceptable, and you are going to distort. Just my 0.02

I keep meaning to test out unhooking each of the speakers one set at a time and comparing. Have yet to do it.

[850 Stylzz]

I would not, will not, do not plan to argue with the man. The conclusion I arrived at was based on my personal taste using like you said, just plain old normal infinity reference coaxials. I'm running all 8 off of a rockford fosgate 301x 4x2 in parallel. Even with the gain turned up pretty high, they could still use a little more power. Thankfully for me, I dont have a taste for ear shattering volume. I originally had the set-up running just 4 infinity reference (front and rear doors) running just off the HU (panasonic 602u) and was pretty unhappy. There just wasn't enough "OOmph" If I add a small sub under my drivers seat (right now looking at a clarion srv-303 (I just want a little bass, not a ton...and I absolutely value stealth)) I think I'll be very happy.

[Guest Guest_V Tuning 850]

I have Boston Acoustics, and I love them. Very good speakers.

[Deltablade]

But what configuration do you have? I'm thinking of putting coaxials in the front doors and possibly some small woofers in the back doors, then disconnecting everything else. Would this configuration recieve enough power from the stock HU to yield slightly better than stock sound?

[Bing_0]

here is one thing to really remember. in the world of speakres, there really crappy ones and there are good ones, and they look similar and are similar in size hehe.

having said that, when you say, you want to put a set of coaxials upfront, an amp, and a sub, that basic design is good...but...there are a coupla things to remmeber:

1. if you want to go wtih coaxials, go with a GOOD set of coaxials taht can handle decent power, remain undistorted and put outs lots of volume, in essense, yolu are looking for a coaxial that is basically the same as a component set just with the speakres mountd together examples of these good coaxials are: crystal csx, infinity kappa (though i really dont like their rather harsh tweet, but its still a solid coax), jl audio xr vr, sound stream exact, aura mobile reference, image dynamics chamelon, and a few others...

2. our cars unfortuantelly are realy limited by the poor speaker location and mounting. basically, you can only get a 5.25" up there, and two, you can really get a moderatly good 5.25" in there, that is because many of the higher powered 5.25" coaxials have bigger baskets and bigger mangets, and our door's limited depth wont fit them :(

[Stormin Norman]

Woofers in the doors, no matter what size, are not going to give you much bass. What you do get will be greatly diminished by phase cancellation in the center of the car cuz the two speakers are facing each other. Better to use the back deck. Better angle, both facing forward, and bigger enclosure in the trunk than the door.

I think the main reason for the rear door speakers is .... more volume from a small inexspenive amp. It takes a lotta SPL to be heard at 70mph with the windows down.

[Caaine]

Hi,

How deep may a 5,25" speaker be to fit in the door? Looking for a speaker set now to use with my recently purchased HU.

Regards,

Caaine

[850 Stylzz]

Woofers in the doors, no matter what size, are not going to give you much bass. What you do get will be greatly diminished by phase cancellation in the center of the car cuz the two speakers are facing each other. Better to use the back deck. Better angle, both facing forward, and bigger enclosure in the trunk than the door.

I think the main reason for the rear door speakers is ....  more volume from a small inexspenive amp. It takes a lotta SPL to be heard at 70mph with the windows down.

Oh come on! At least know your physics before you make a coment like that.

[Stormin Norman]

I do know my physics, having spent 20 years in the audio biz. You do know the l & r channels are 180 degrees out of phase, don't you?