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Stock 850 T5 Wagon> 2000 Wrx

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Warpedcow Newbie

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There weren't WRX's in the states in 2000 unless they were imported, which probably one or none were. Good kill against a POS Impreza RS <_<

There were some WRXs (STis at least) from these earlier years imported. Here's one that was at an autox I went to about a month ago near Minneapolis, MN:

http://homepages.gac.edu/~dadolphs/Aug2006...es/dsc_1552.jpg

http://homepages.gac.edu/~dadolphs/Aug2006...es/dsc_1555.jpg

http://homepages.gac.edu/~dadolphs/Aug2006...es/dsc_1411.jpg

http://homepages.gac.edu/~dadolphs/Aug2006...es/dsc_1731.jpg

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Serdar-S60T5 Newbie

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hey... congratulations. :) as long as it's a fair race, a win is a win IMO.

but here, it wasn't your 5th cylinder and torque that got you the win. in stock form, you only have like 6 lbs/ft. more torque than he does. that's hardly enough to make a difference.

now we all know that a stock automatic 850 T5 wagon is definitely not faster than, or as fast as, a WRX. especially not even close in low speeds. from a dig, he would have pulled you for several car lengths. of course i accept that the roll from 20 mph wasn't as bad for your car as a standing start would have been, but still, by an objective comparison, your car is heavier, underpowered, and not nearly as well geared as a WRX for sprints between 20-90 mph. not to mention that you had him already between 20-40 mph where he should have been much faster than you.

now, if you had said, he pulled me at first but i caught up with him after 100 mph and had him by a car at 120 mph, that would have made more sense, and probably nobody would've questioned your win. but the way he performed so poorly at such low speeds definitely shows that either your friend doesn't know how to drive, or something is seriously wrong with his car.

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:huh: well here in Switzerland the Subaru Impresa WRX had 220 hp, the Subaru WRX STI had 265 hp. The new STI have now 280 hp from a 2.5l engine. I rode in STI and normal WRX. They are fast starters and have their biggest advantage over other cars below 60 mph. Up then, every 6 cyl or 5 cyl turbo can spank them. Fast but also overrated ! My opinion...

Sam

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Stevehayes01 Newbie

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How much power is a 850R putting down?

In the SAAB world a 9-3 HOT will easily take a stock WRX from a 30MPH roll and the 9-3 is only putting down in the area of 205HP (SAAB Rated -- most dyno that as WHP stock). The WRX suffers from a few things that make it a bad freeway racer.

Close gearing with a bad final drive -- made for low end power bursts

2. The cars power band is tuned for the first 4 gears and thats it.

3. On a Dyno the stock WRX will only put down 170-180WHP max from all the ones I have seen on NASIOC.

I saw nice kill and a win is a win.. Would love to see the video too.

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Serdar-S60T5 Newbie

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hello :)

How much power is a 850R putting down?

the 850R is 250 hp at the crank and probably 210 hp at the wheels. but in this case, our friend was driving an 'automatic 850 T5 wagon' which is rated 225 hp at the crank and probably no more than 185-190 hp at the wheels. it's heavier than a WRX and also heavier than a Saab 9-3 ...

In the SAAB world a 9-3 HOT will easily take a stock WRX from a 30MPH roll and the 9-3 is only putting down in the area of 205HP (SAAB Rated -- most dyno that as WHP stock).

i couldn't get know what you mean by 9-3 HOT there... you mean the 9-3 aero ?

so you're saying stock Saabs put down as much hp to the wheels as their quoted crank hp?... didn't know they were that seriously underrated...

but truth be told, i've heard that Saabs, although with less quoted hps compared to Volvos, usually tend to put down a better and longer lasting torque curve and make better results on rolling starts 50-80mph, 70-100mph and so on, when compared to equally powered Volvos (as stock).

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OK that clears up the wagon specs for me.. thanks.

As for the SAAB HOT model that would be yes on it being an AERO. In the states they did not sell a 9-3 AERO until 2006 prior it was called a HOT. IT is actually pretty amazing how underrated the saab is. Most 9-3 Aero trim cars put down withing 10HP of the stated BHP. In the case of the Viggen most of those that are healthy are putting down close to 235-245WHP or so and are only rated at 235-240BHP.

I dont know too much about Volvo's (yet) but I will soon as I am looking for a low budget 240 Turbo to build up.

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OK that clears up the wagon specs for me.. thanks.

sure.

As for the SAAB HOT model that would be yes on it being an AERO. In the states they did not sell a 9-3 AERO until 2006 prior it was called a HOT. IT is actually pretty amazing how underrated the saab is. Most 9-3 Aero trim cars put down withing 10HP of the stated BHP. In the case of the Viggen most of those that are healthy are putting down close to 235-245WHP or so and are only rated at 235-240BHP.

wow that's amazing. :blink: that's almost as much hp to the wheels as a stock S60R. are you sure?

i wonder why Saab underrate their cars like that... that's just bad advertising in my humble opinion... i mean looking at the specs on a catalogue, an average car enthusiast could never guess that a 9-3 Viggen could be as fast as an S60R.

I dont know too much about Volvo's (yet) but I will soon as I am looking for a low budget 240 Turbo to build up.

welcome & goodluck :)

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Yep I am sure... .The Viggen especially is a fast car (from a roll). Saab's have good HP and torque but GM underated them to keep the EPA and all the other organizations from hitting them with higher insurance ratings.

The issues with a saab that keep it from being truly fast are the fact that it could not hookup off the line to save its life and the Trionic engine management system is a nightmare to tune.

I will see if I can dig up some Viggen dyno's for you of stock cars.

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OK. I have at my disposal a 855R, a NG900SET, and a WRX. I drive each of them often. WRX are in fact not super fast stock, they do however launch extremely well.

My point was:

1 That there wasn't a WRX in America in 2000.

2 Sure some Turbo Impreza's were brought into the country for a huge conversion cost.

3 Of those Turbo Imprezas brought over, you'd have to be an idiot NOT to bring over an STI of some variation. Hence, that is what the guy showed us many of in the racing pics.

4. A 'real' old body (read lighter especially considering the probable lack of amenities i.e. pwr windows etc that the rest of the world doesn't want in their pocket rockets.) WRX w/ exhaust still probably should have taken his 855T, barely but should have...

Enjoy your kill until your buddy gets a turbo kit for his 2.5RS.

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