matt b Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 On 1/20/2016 at 2:07 PM, Dick Dastardly said: Yeah I now think 27.5 will be the new standard for most new MTB. The Low end will be 26" for a while and tire company's will still support it for a bit. I can't get into a 25" top tube with 29" wheels. It's so fucking big. Perfect for roadies who want to ride on medium trails. Just so much less maneuverable. I know of at least 3 local pros who race on 29'ers. They're excellent for the terrain here. They take more work to fling in a corner but given the right rider, they're as good as a 27.5+ 17 hours ago, iPd Cameron said: Still really happy with my All-City Mr. Pink. Everything is pretty dialed now. Waiting to find the right deal to come up on a 40cm set of ENVE compact bars to replace the Salsa bars. Then really the only other thing I'll change is the pedals. Keeping platforms and thinking I'm going to bite the bullet and buy some White Industries pedals to replace the MKS track pedals on there now. I've yet to see you put together an ugly bike. I love it, even the top tube mounted pump looks classy on it and I'm usually not a fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iPd Cameron Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) 13 hours ago, BurgerBob said: Enve is great, but I'm running some Thomson carbon bars and I love them. Very very happy with my decision to buy them. I've considered those too. The reach/drop on the KFC bars is right in the range of where I want to be as well and very close to the ENVE compact bars too. I'd be happy to run them if a deal comes up on them. Really I'd grab either the ENVE or Thomson carbon bars -- just depends on which I can find a deal on first. 8 minutes ago, matt b said: I've yet to see you put together an ugly bike. I love it, even the top tube mounted pump looks classy on it and I'm usually not a fan. Thanks dude. I try to be as meticulous as possible putting bikes together same as with Volvos. Sometimes it's tricky getting the whole thing to all look right together and form a cohesive whole that makes sense aesthetically and functionally. I feel like I get a little closer on each bike. At least, I try to! I wasn't so sure about the frame pump at first -- I would much rather have a nice pump than a CO2 cartridge for flats though. I think it matches OK as is but I still think I'll paint the body of the pump matte black to match the bike better than the current brushed aluminum finish it has. Edited February 2, 2016 by iPd Cameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 38 minutes ago, matt b said: I know of at least 3 local pros who race on 29'ers. They're excellent for the terrain here. They take more work to fling in a corner but given the right rider, they're as good as a 27.5+ Right they're perfect for XC racing. Not good for trail/jumping/park riding. 650b is a dumb "standard" seriously it's a difference of 1/4" radius. It just makes people think their bikes are outdated. Now you have no choice. Most of the differences people think they're feeling are because the bike itself has newer "standard" geometry.. Put 26" wheels on a 650b and vice-versa and it's hardly different. 29" are disappearing from shops too, except for a few models mostly XC race bikes. I don't know, the bike industry has pissed me off for years with this crap. 1987-bullmoose straight bars are the shit 1989-rise bars are shit 1992 straight bars and bar ends are the shit 1998- rise bars are the shit 2008- Flat bars are the shit 2013- rise bars are the shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt b Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Have you seen the latest, greatest trend ? Mix and mtach ? I think Salsa just released a bike with a 27.5/29 mix and others have done it more or less officially as well. I counted 11 bikes in this house today, no way I'm adding more to the madness (I own/ride 3 of them) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Remember the early 90s.. 26/24" mixed. then again on DH bikes. Back in the early 1890s we had mixed 48"/16" for a while too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 I think what Matt's referring to is being able to swap both wheels out. Technically that means you could do a true mix/match, but I don't think that's the intended use yet. Specialized had a mixed 26/24 until 2005. And I don't think you could fit a 26 in the rear. I remember at that time, wondering what would feel dated in later in life. What would be my generation's flared pants. I think this bike personifies it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iPd Cameron Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 47 minutes ago, Fudge_Brownie said: I think what Matt's referring to is being able to swap both wheels out. Technically that means you could do a true mix/match, but I don't think that's the intended use yet. Specialized had a mixed 26/24 until 2005. And I don't think you could fit a 26 in the rear. I remember at that time, wondering what would feel dated in later in life. What would be my generation's flared pants. I think this bike personifies it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesoam Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Dick Dastardly said: Remember the early 90s.. 26/24" mixed. then again on DH bikes. That was the whole "lets make this a dirt bike with pedals" phase. I even remember some company putting a dirt bike type of seat on a DH bike, awful idea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Fudge_Brownie said: I think what Matt's referring to is being able to swap both wheels out. Technically that means you could do a true mix/match, but I don't think that's the intended use yet. Specialized had a mixed 26/24 until 2005. And I don't think you could fit a 26 in the rear. I remember at that time, wondering what would feel dated in later in life. What would be my generation's flared pants. I think this bike personifies it. "They had it until 2005" they also only started making it in maybe 2002 or 3.. the mixed 24/26 I referred to was Cannondale in the late 80s very early nineties had a rigid with mixed wheels and then the mid-late nineties when, like Travis pointed out, there was the dirt bike wannabe DH. all the trends come and go and come back again.. They change "Standards" so we'll buy more bikes and parts.. 31.8 bar diameter.. Good idea, made risers that were lighter and stronger than straight 25.4. 35mm? Seems like a good way to get people to buy new bars and stems (now that we've all bought long medium and short in 1-1/8", 1-1/2" (and even 1" and 1-1/4") with 25.4 and 31.8 clamps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Wasn't trying to dispute your 90's remark. More that it was interesting the trend's final hold out lasted until 2005. I think at that point, the only reason they still offered it was that it was already developed. Hell, maybe they were just trying to sell off the stock by coming up with new paint schemes every year until depleted Check out the clown bike. Looks like someone drove it in to a wall and folded the forks in. Basically, a pogo stick with wheels. Blurry shot, but that's a second shock in the middle of the triangle. There's some retro gold on PB and some of the other sites with that era. Some of the late 90's downhill stuff was pretty absurd too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Yeah there was a lot of dumb shit in the 90s and honestly, still is. I'm not totally a curmudgeon... Some great innovations that changed mountain bikes and weren't just bullshit: Shimano's tubular/splined bottom bracket. Good hydro disc brakes. 15mm and 20mm through axles. tubeless tires. Oil/air shocks 80-150mm for XC/trail bikes Horst link and later DW link trail bikes. 31.8 bar diameter Raceface NW chainrings Shimano clutch derailleurs Innovations in hydro forming aluminum and modern CF frames.. Allowing sub 25 reliable 150mm travel trail bikes. i don't miss: All the CNC garbage from the 90s. 150mm stems with 500mm bars.. Cannondale Headshocks, super V's, aluminum hard tails, ok, pretty much anything Cannondale.. Bar ends taper bottom brackets all the awful rear suspension designs elastomer forks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 I think some of what you like is really the result of some of the past failures though. Seems like the late 90's early 2000's was a bumpy time of "lets try anything", and stabilized in the mid 2000's, and really hit it's stride around 2008-2009. I wonder if bar ends will make a come back. Now that everyone's pulling the bars back with shorter stems, and trying to trail ride slacker bikes, bar ends kinda make sense for the climb, don't they? Tough because they look so goofy, and so much about buying bikes seems to be in the aesthetics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Hence why I didn't say "what I like" and I referred to them as "great innovations".. yeah the last 6 or 7 years had been good except for the whole 29r bandwagon. Let's ditch everything for 29.. Oh wait, lets re ditch everything for 27.5. and the whole rear hub spacing and myriad headtube "standards" 12 minutes ago, Fudge_Brownie said: I think some of what you like is really the result of some of the past failures though. Seems like the late 90's early 2000's was a bumpy time of "lets try anything", and stabilized in the mid 2000's, and really hit it's stride around 2008-2009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt b Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Here is the bike, it's actually Santa Cruz and not Salsa. It's beautiful but the price tag is ugly. http://www.singletracks.com/blog/mtb-gear/breaking-news-santa-cruz-announces-new-hightower-27-529er/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 I like Santa Cruz. They've always been a decent company. Apparently a Danish company is buying them I heard. I can run 27.5 in my Pivot. Just have to be careful with tire selection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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