Log Manifolds....

[Che'_Moderator]

Exactly, you made my point of the 600 range being perfectly reasonable. Every other shop, that apparently Greg thinks will charge a couple hundred dollars, would actually have the costs I quoted. It's not as if I sucked up the cost for every shop in the country. Should I charge 1K to the first buyer and all the following to 300? No, of course not.

You completely made my point right there by saying that, other shops would be doing these for the FIRST time and thus, charging those hours.

But you already paid for the first one. And at 600 I think we are all pretty much 100% with letting you eat all that cost. Now at 450-500 you might get some help absorbing it. Other wise enjoy the ugly 1000 dollar manifold ;)

[Boosted5cyl]

nice effort man trying out things for everyone's gain, I"m not in the market for one but atleast I learned a little bit on cost and construction aspects, good luck getting your #'s man.

[Zulu]

But you already paid for the first one. And at 600 I think we are all pretty much 100% with letting you eat all that cost. Now at 450-500 you might get some help absorbing it. Other wise enjoy the ugly 1000 dollar manifold

Lol, it cost me materials and it does the job superbly. I think you know damn well it's ugly because of the torching, don't know why you're harping that. I have no cost to eat, nor do I care if I produce any of these for this community. I'm just providing an option in a place where people complain about a lack of them. Again, everyone can enjoy paying for their one-off manifolds.

5-6 hours to weld these out even if they're production (not one-off) in a normal shop is what you would be charged...if not more. If I have to make the headflange, if Slater is unavailable, even more. 65 an hour...325-390...total 575-650 then. Oh look, price I quoted (assuming I get Slater's flanges and don't have to waste more time making them). This isn't SSAC, it's a private shop...we're not going to work at $20/hour.

[Che'_Moderator]

Lol, it cost me materials and it does the job superbly. I think you know damn well it's ugly because of the torching, don't know why you're harping that. I have no cost to eat, nor do I care if I produce any of these for this community. I'm just providing an option in a place where people complain about a lack of them. Again, everyone can enjoy paying for their one-off manifolds.

5-6 hours to weld these out even if they're production (not one-off) in a normal shop is what you would be charged...if not more. If I have to make the headflange, if Slater is unavailable, even more. 65 an hour...325-390...total 575-650 then. Oh look, price I quoted (assuming I get Slater's flanges and don't have to waste more time making them). This isn't SSAC, it's a private shop...we're not going to work at $20/hour.

5 hours. Your getting screwed. But I can over look all that. You said it already. You have the first one. The rest will be strait materials+labor+mark up. Your just getting greedy. If you were truely doing this for god country apple pie you could do 450 or 500 with money in your pocket. Since it seems your set on making atleast 50 points markup you should contact mydepots and have them made in china for around 150 each

[turbor850]

5 hours. Your getting screwed. But I can over look all that. You said it already. You have the first one. The rest will be strait materials+labor+mark up. Your just getting greedy. If you were truely doing this for god country apple pie you could do 450 or 500 with money in your pocket. Since it seems your set on making atleast 50 points markup you should contact mydepots and have them made in china for around 150 each

95% of the people on the board don't even need log manifold, their fine with the better flowing R manifold

stuff, I don't even have a log manifold

[towerymt]

You talking about this manifold? Superior flow to a stock manifold

Since when does a log manifold with no collector offer superior flow?

[Zulu]

5 hours. Your getting screwed. But I can over look all that. You said it already. You have the first one. The rest will be strait materials+labor+mark up. Your just getting greedy. If you were truely doing this for god country apple pie you could do 450 or 500 with money in your pocket. Since it seems your set on making atleast 50 points markup you should contact mydepots and have them made in china for around 150 each

Again, HOW am I getting screwed? This is the shop I work at, weld at, fabricate at. I am not getting greedy, I won't even be in town for the fabrication of these manifolds. It is merely a private firm that I work at where we made the manifold and I said hey, let's make a jig in case. These would take away time from FAR more lucrative projects, therefore we cannot do these at 450 (600 doesn't even bring in what other projects do), but still want to do them for a few people I figure that this help them move forward with there cars. You stand here with the option of having a one-off made by someone else for 800+ or us for 5-600 (as I'll ask if they will go lower). I stand to make no money at all.

[Che'_Moderator]

Again, HOW am I getting screwed? This is the shop I work at, weld at, fabricate at. I am not getting greedy, I won't even be in town for the fabrication of these manifolds. It is merely a private firm that I work at where we made the manifold and I said hey, let's make a jig in case. These would take away time from FAR more lucrative projects, therefore we cannot do these at 450 (600 doesn't even bring in what other projects do), but still want to do them for a few people I figure that this help them move forward with there cars. You stand here with the option of having a one-off made by someone else for 800+ or us for 5-600 (as I'll ask if they will go lower). I stand to make no money at all.

One-offs from a jig.... that you want a group buy of at least five. This is the strangest 1-off ever

[Zulu]

One-offs from a jig.... that you want a group buy of at least five. This is the strangest 1-off ever

Where did I say that mine were one-off? I'm saying one-offs would be over 800...? I'm selling them at well below what a one-off would cost and if one person only were to buy it, it would still be considered a one-off since the jig was pretty much made for them...that's why it's 600. If it goes to 5+ I can lower it because now I can recover more of the costs of R&D, as it were, through quantity. What am I missing? This isn't like a VMS engine, where it could obviously be done for less then half what it costs.

[Che'_Moderator]

Where did I say that mine were one-off? I'm saying one-offs would be over 800...? I'm selling them at well below what a one-off would cost and if one person only were to buy it, it would still be considered a one-off since the jig was pretty much made for them...that's why it's 600. If it goes to 5+ I can lower it because now I can recover more of the costs of R&D, as it were, through quantity. What am I missing? This isn't like a VMS engine, where it could obviously be done for less then half what it costs.

Got off the phone just now. I got a guy who will make them for 350 each if you send him the jig. They would be in 6 series stainless have turbo supports welded on them already and come with a 1 year warranty. Would require 4 people to commit to buying

[gdizzle]

Got off the phone just now. I got a guy who will make them for 350 each if you send him the jig. They would be in 6 series stainless have turbo supports welded on them already and come with a 1 year warranty. Would require 4 people to commit to buying

:lol:

[JHEIII874T5M]

Got off the phone just now. I got a guy who will make them for 350 each if you send him the jig. They would be in 6 series stainless have turbo supports welded on them already and come with a 1 year warranty. Would require 4 people to commit to buying

Chucky fresh, chill your jets big man. Jared says he's making them himself, let him do his thing.

[towerymt]

Got off the phone just now. I got a guy who will make them for 350 each if you send him the jig. They would be in 6 series stainless...

where did he find the stainless steel tacos?

[Zulu]

Got off the phone just now. I got a guy who will make them for 350 each if you send him the jig. They would be in 6 series stainless have turbo supports welded on them already and come with a 1 year warranty. Would require 4 people to commit to buying

Damn man, monkey you. You're making points that make no sense and are just poking this entire thread up for no apparent reason. So you'll have a friend who'll do it for you @ $100 per piece profit, congratulations. Where I'm taking time out of again, FAR MORE profitable projects to make something for the Volvo community, which again I add, would costs hundreds more then what I'm asking if someone were to do it one-off at a shop.

I got a guy who will make them for 350 each if you send him the jig.

That's a stupid statement and you know it is, a completely malicious way of destroying any possibility of selling this manifold. I have to make up for the hours spent (12-15), actually more, because the headflange had to be made by us, in preparing this manifold for both my car and for any hypothetical individuals that would buy it. I think it's called "R&D." Your friend can make them cheap because he had no "R&D" and makes profit off the bat. So if he wants to pay for my "R&D", we'll go with 15 hours @ $65 a hour and the shop will still lose money because we took that 12-15 away from other, larger projects that pay more hourly (more importantly, actually pay since it's contract-based).

I'm not trying to make any money, the shop is going to lose money even if we sell 10 @ 600...I've merely made it available because it wasn't before and I've felt more and more that these lack of options have turned this forum into a lemming colony only associated with slow cars and 250whp. I can't even recall how many people talk about how dope it is to see a quick Volvo, how they'd rock one but the aftermarket isn't there and neither are the impressive cars. The more options there are, the more big power cars, the more the community will grow along with the originality. Aren't you tired of, "bro, 19T all the way," "300whp goals," "_____ is the new Pegs." In a car scene, there should NOT BE A PEG, "______ is the new Pegs," should have no meaning. No where else will you see that. Aftermarket options or at least a FEW cars going outside of the little T turbo scene will bring in more, "better" enthusiasts who will have 500whp, 600whp, 10 second pass goal, etc. (you know people who realize to be fast they need to spend money, like in every car scene we read about and watch). Man, bless South FL, at least we got some rep here with Joe, Ben, Eric and any other guy around here that makes the 500whp+ crowd say, "damn yeah, I've heard about that Volvo moving..." Maybe I'm used too used to 200whp-300whp being a joke...I've worked and played on the wrong street, I guess.

But still, feel free to pay another shop for your one-off manifold and pay for their "R&D" as well, unless you've got a shop convinced to buy my jig. Log manifolds are a simple design, not hard to make, but like any manifold they take time to be made for a car. If you can find someone cheaper, go to them. This is the Volvo community, you don't produce aftermarket to make huge profits, I obviously expect losses...but we can't lose SO much as to charge 350 or 450 or whatever. Consider to weld one out, slot, etc is 5 hours, $325, and materials of $250...$575 total. The price of the manifold is set at $575. With the labor, $65 isn't even full shop price, but we can't cut it that much, R&D (at least $1K in shop time) has to be paid for.

In the Honda world, production is so vast you can charge prices like 350 & 450 because R&D is irrelevant when you sell thousands of manifolds...this is the Volvo world, with a private shop that rarely even bothers with manifolds, prices cannot be compared.

[Che'_Moderator]

Damn man, monkey you. You're making points that make no sense and are just poking this entire thread up for no apparent reason. So you'll have a friend who'll do it for you @ $100 per piece profit, congratulations. Where I'm taking time out of again, FAR MORE profitable projects to make something for the Volvo community, which again I add, would costs hundreds more then what I'm asking if someone were to do it one-off at a shop.

That's a stupid statement and you know it is, a completely malicious way of destroying any possibility of selling this manifold. I have to make up for the hours spent (12-15), actually more, because the headflange had to be made by us, in preparing this manifold for both my car and for any hypothetical individuals that would buy it. I think it's called "R&D." Your friend can make them cheap because he had no "R&D" and makes profit off the bat. So if he wants to pay for my "R&D", we'll go with 15 hours @ $65 a hour and the shop will still lose money because we took that 12-15 away from other, larger projects that pay more hourly (more importantly, actually pay since it's contract-based).

I'm not trying to make any money, the shop is going to lose money even if we sell 10 @ 600...I've merely made it available because it wasn't before and I've felt more and more that these lack of options have turned this forum into a lemming colony only associated with slow cars and 250whp. I can't even recall how many people talk about how dope it is to see a quick Volvo, how they'd rock one but the aftermarket isn't there and neither are the impressive cars. The more options there are, the more big power cars, the more the community will grow along with the originality. Aren't you tired of, "bro, 19T all the way," "300whp goals," "_____ is the new Pegs." In a car scene, there should NOT BE A PEG, "______ is the new Pegs," should have no meaning. No where else will you see that. Aftermarket options or at least a FEW cars going outside of the little T turbo scene will bring in more, "better" enthusiasts who will have 500whp, 600whp, 10 second pass goal, etc. (you know people who realize to be fast they need to spend money, like in every car scene we read about and watch). Man, bless South FL, at least we got some rep here with Joe, Ben, Eric and any other guy around here that makes the 500whp+ crowd say, "damn yeah, I've heard about that Volvo moving..." Maybe I'm used too used to 200whp-300whp being a joke...I've worked and played on the wrong street, I guess.

But still, feel free to pay another shop for your one-off manifold and pay for their "R&D" as well, unless you've got a shop convinced to buy my jig. Log manifolds are a simple design, not hard to make, but like any manifold they take time to be made for a car. If you can find someone cheaper, go to them. This is the Volvo community, you don't produce aftermarket to make huge profits, I obviously expect losses...but we can't lose SO much as to charge 350 or 450 or whatever. Consider to weld one out, slot, etc is 5 hours, $325, and materials of $250...$575 total. The price of the manifold is set at $575. With the labor, $65 isn't even full shop price, but we can't cut it that much, R&D (at least $1K in shop time) has to be paid for.

In the Honda world, production is so vast you can charge prices like 350 & 450 because R&D is irrelevant when you sell thousands of manifolds...this is the Volvo world, with a private shop that rarely even bothers with manifolds, prices cannot be compared.

You said you were not telling them for profit only to give the community a new part to consider. I was just trying to give you an outlet. I never expected you to drop your other "more profitable" projects. Just hand this one off if you're not trying to make money. But I know there is not a shop on earth that does not have some dead time. Your shop is trying to fill it and make more profit just say it.