Bsr Ppc Tuning Completed

[turbor850]

joe, glad your not impressed by the new upgrade . . . .wasn't expecting you too

first gear limiter sucks in your car, I have driven plenty of C70's

electronic throttle sucks . . .

S200, 350Z both run mid-low 14's stock (stock tires, stock everything)

Boxster S runs high high high 13 stock (the new one 04)

S500 isn't that fast of a Benz . . . what . . . 14 something in the 1/4 . . .

worth $900 . . . hell no . . .

your "upgrade" prob. took .2-.3 off the 1/4 . . . . whoopeeedeeedooooo

also - how much hp you gain supposedly ?

[ROB @ VMS]

Instead of talking crapola to joe lets figure out the problemo. Joe here are some things you can do so get me7 refreshed and such. Keep a 6 heat range plug and gap it to .030. Also what kinda of intake are you using just the K&N cone filter? Next is the downpipe. Ill try and have our vms downpipes out soon ( cause i know that you are interested and it would really help) (That is if the bsr program will even like it.) Also air/fuel ect. Get the downpipe on then tune air fuel and tell them to take off that darn torque limiter!

[Entuscan]

tell them to take off that darn torque limiter!

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Well you see that's what I'm not getting here. His claim that there is NO gain in first gear or a change in throttle/pedal feel/position.

As I stated the differance is HUGE on my car, first of the electronic throttle set from max 87% to 100%. This is even noticable when you drive in reverse. Sounds wierd but I need to back out of my driveway so that's the first gear I put it in after tuning the car at home. I Always pull out much faster then I want (at that point not yet used to different throttle position)

I get a serious amount of torquesteer in first gear, it goes through all the revs more quickly. When I return the car to stock at first I always feel as if there is something broken ... the loss of performance is very noticable.

And no it's not between my ears as they say; Passengers in the car notice the differance when the car is stock or tuned

On my car there is no ECU settling in period or other "wait what happends" stuff going on. Tune it and it GOES

Do they tune European cars different? Or is it because I have an AWD that they give it some more power in first as opposed to normal.

I realy don't get that that there is such a big differance before and after between his ride and mine with the same tuner

[850 Arrr!]

If anything, I'd say it's about even with a stock E36 M3 now

Your car must BLOW! I've PWNT, and I don't use the expression loosely, E36 M3s on two different occassions. One from a stop, with an experienced driver behind the wheel - He pulled at first but by 80 I was watching him scowl in my rearview. Other time was a rolling start... He didn't have a chance... Now believe it or not, these two events DID take place... My car is bone stock, BTW. Unless you count the crappy CD player my stupid jerk had put in from my last car.

*Shrug* So sell your car already! And why the HELL did you invest another G into the car you so despise??? Maybe she's running slow because her driver hates her!

Ciao!

[mrmandmman]

My 850 turbo with speedtuning, 3inch down pipe w/ no cat, and 2.5 catback will break the tires loose once the turbo spools in first gear.

[lax01]

Your car must BLOW! I've PWNT, and I don't use the expression loosely, E36 M3s on two different occassions. One from a stop, with an experienced driver behind the wheel - He pulled at first but by 80 I was watching him scowl in my rearview.

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congratulations

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[J0E]

Oh God...here we go again.

Not going to spend the time replying with individual quotes, so I'll just go through each issue.

First off, regardless of what you have read in magazines, what you have raced, etc, a 350Z (all the models at least with the LSD), S2000, E36 M3, and Boxter S are all 13-second cars, with the 350Z and Boxter S nippin' on mid-13s. Search the forums...it is well documented that all of these cars have run 13s bone stock. Period. I have even seen magazine-published data noting 13s for all the said cars, but the seasoned drag-racer can easily improve upon them. That's the end of the discussion. Don't turn this into another SRT-4 thread.

Second, I can guarantee the car is performing flawlessly, running with the best of T5s with the same modifications if not faster. Again, there are 19,600 miles on the car and it has been under my watch since 3,600. Trust me; the car is mechanically brand new. It amazes me how if someone is not overly impressed by such a setup, everyone turns to the whole "Stage 0" story. All I'm saying is that the car is not as fast as some make it out to be. Sorry, but to me, a mid-low-14 second car is NOT fast, regardless of what it is.

Rob, I appreciate the offer, but the downpipe/cat will remain stock while the title of the car has my name on it. That is not something I am going to modify because I don't want to deal with 02-sensor issues and having to get a new PPC program from BSR tuned for a downpipe. Besides, at that point, I firmly believe you are going nowhere with "tuning" the car without actually having it tuned on a dyno. Messing with the downpipe/cat simply effects too much of the car with regards to A/F ratios and fuel maps. Tuning on the dyno with a stand-alone or piggy-back is not something I'm looking into. This is my daily-driver, and if I wanted a performance-car to beat on every day, I would have bought one. I also think its foolish to spend all that time trying to extract more performance out of a Volvo, but that’s another story. Let me know when you guys come out with a 3" cat-back though.

I also saw above someone mentioning that I saw no gains in first gear. When did I say that? There is a difference in first gear; however, it's not major. Oh...the performance didn't impress me. Maybe I need a tune-up!

BTW, I just drove the car a little more, and I'm now boosting a solid 19 PSI in third-gear. :)

[J0E]

Your car must BLOW! I've PWNT, and I don't use the expression loosely, E36 M3s on two different occassions. One from a stop, with an experienced driver behind the wheel - He pulled at first but by 80 I was watching him scowl in my rearview. Other time was a rolling start... He didn't have a chance... Now believe it or not, these two events DID take place... My car is bone stock, BTW. Unless you count the crappy CD player my stupid jerk had put in from my last car.

Great! Whats's your point?

[lax01]

Rob, I appreciate the offer, but the downpipe/cat will remain stock while the title of the car has my name on it.

I'm sorry Joe, but if you did want to feel the true performance from the chip, you'll need to get a downpipe, especially if you are running that high of boost...but it is your daily driver, and since you don't care about modding Volvos, I guess this conversation is over...why not return the chip or get some type of refund? I don't understand why, after 3 pages, we are still dwelling on this...if it doesn't bring your happiness, then seriously, whats the point?

[J0E]

Goddam Lax, can you frikkin' read?

I never said I'm not happy with it. The gains are nice in third-gear, and the car is no longer embarrassingly slow after 80. But in first and second-gear, the car is not the rocket that so many teen fanboys claim after they chip their mom's 850. Maybe I'm just harder to impress? Maybe my standards of what is fast and what's not are quite a bit higher than the average 17-year-old on this forum?

All I wanted to do was add some life to a dull, boring Volvo, and I did just that. FWIW, the car should have accelerated like this from the factory considering its competitors, which by the way are still faster.

[Noahkk19]

But in first and second-gear, the car is not the rocket that so many teen fanboys claim after they chip their mom's 850. Maybe I'm just harder to impress? Maybe my standards of what is fast and what's not are quite a bit higher than the average 17-year-old on this forum?

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How many times have you over used that?

[Guest Guest]

regardless of what you have read in magazines, what you have raced, etc, a 350Z (all the models at least with the LSD), S2000, E36 M3, and Boxter S are all 13-second cars, with the 350Z and Boxter S nippin' on mid-13s. Search the forums...

If it's posted on a Volvo forum it must be "stuff" but if it's on a honda site it must be the truth? :blink:

[InlineTurbo]

Glad you decided to do the chip Joe. Wait until you get some colder weather.

However I could spin tires 1-3 stock and pretty easy after the chip. Maybe you can't, but that doesn't mean other people's cars won't. Part of this could be worn down suspension, but after the Bilsteins I don't have much in the way of wheelspin problems. If I launch around 3000 rpm it is tire soup for a while even with the upgraded suspension and Firehawks. I agree that 1st gear doesn't see much of a gain due to being torque limited. Overall it is a pretty good upgrade. Though with the PPC the cost to payoff is a bit less for the first flash. For getting retunes it is awesome.

[JDELUNA]

......... But what can you expect from a Japanese car with a modified V6 Renault-engine under the hood???.......

What is wrong with the Nissan 350Z VQ engine ??? It has probably won more awards than any of the Volvo engines. Also when you said it has a modified Renault engine under the hood... I believe that is incorrect, the VQ engine was designed before 1994 when they were not even owned by Renault.

[lax01]

Goddam Lax, can you frikkin' read?

I never said I'm not happy with it. The gains are nice in third-gear, and the car is no longer embarrassingly slow after 80. But in first and second-gear, the car is not the rocket that so many teen fanboys claim after they chip their mom's 850. Maybe I'm just harder to impress? Maybe my standards of what is fast and what's not are quite a bit higher than the average 17-year-old on this forum?

All I wanted to do was add some life to a dull, boring Volvo, and I did just that. FWIW, the car should have accelerated like this from the factory considering its competitors, which by the way are still faster.

fine, but as you said it is your daily driver and you aren't looking for a speed-machine...if you are happy with it, why are you complaining about it?