chaze1385 Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Finally got myself an air/water intercooler. I have been wanting do one for quite a while. It is going to mount in the hole where my battery used to be. It will discharge directly into the throttle body. Cost:$130.00HEre is the radiator i will be using for the Air/water intercooler. Not this exact one but similar, it is a stock one from a Yamaha banshee. Complete with fan. Cost: FreeI am using an old Stainless steel water fire extinguisher like this, It will be mounted in the trunk, upside down, i cut it down about 8 inches and welded it back together. Holds about 1.75 gallons now. I removed the discharge handle and welded a bung for a -16 A/n fitting. ANd a mesh screen to keep ice from entering the lines and pump. ANd another bung on the bottom which is now the top that lets me screw a 3" diameter cap onto it. Lets me fill it with ice that way.Cost:FreeTHis Scirocco style ALuminum radiator from AFCO is going in with these fans, . measures 25 1/2x 13 1/4x 3" thick. Cost $150 ANd two factory oil coolers from 89 or so Volvo 740 turbo cars. One for tranny and one for Oil.Cost:Free ALso using a factory A/c condensor from a scirocco Just had to adapt the VW to Volvo lines, Cost:FreeChad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stick70 Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Wow, im really interested in how this works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedTurbo850 Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Post a tutorial if you can...And definetely update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHEIII874T5M Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 :unsure: Going to hold back my comments until you're done... but with the area we have available for a FMIC on these cars, the fact that you probably won't drive around with ice all day long, it's annoying if/when the start leaking, and this is your daily driver... just ehhhh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil E Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Could be very cool. B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulr Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Going to hold back my comments until you're done... but with the area we have available for a FMIC on these cars, the fact that you probably won't drive around with ice all day long, it's annoying if/when the start leaking, and this is your daily driver... just ehhhh.agree.Also, what are you going to use as a pump? Are you just going to rely on convection or whatever? even if that works I still think a pump would be better...What sort of issues (resistance, pipe length, etc) would there be to using a air/water in addition to a FMIC? Where he's talking about mounting it you could probably pipe both pretty easy. I don't know how much it would help on the street, especially in warmer weather, but icing down the tank + a FMIC might produce good results at the track... Or was that already the plan?Post how it turns out / holds up, but I'd be surprised if an Air/Water (by itself) does better than a good FMIC outside of the track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
550 Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 tutorial for what? (I mean lets not bring into play the whole BOV on an automatic... i guess I will admit, it is interesting to see someone do a AirToWater heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedTurbo850 Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 tutorial for what? (I mean lets not bring into play the whole BOV on an automatic... i guess I will admit, it is interesting to see someone do a AirToWater hehLike a how-to tutorial.But lmao, I'm never going to live this down...And from some testing on my own around my house, I can say that if you gun the motor, you can definitely hear the bypass valve pop off. You gotta listen hard though..Edit: A how-to outside of this + this + this...Like a step by step if that's possible.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulr Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 The real important part will be pictures, to see how things fit (and of course word on how well it works), and perhaps a general account of problems ran into along the way.How-to is pretty simple:Put tank in back. run two hoses up front. I'd run them under the car, personally. Connect tank -> pump -> intercooler -> Radiator -> tank. Run output of turbo, or output of FMIC into air/water. Connect air/water to Throttle body. Stick radiator somewhere, wire electronics up. Done. The original poster already made mention of welding, etc, so I'm guessing there's going to be some level of custom fabrication with mounting and perhaps piping. Things like fitment will depend a lot on what's already been done to the car (such as battery relocation, which appears to have been done). No offense, but if you need a step-by-step "measure 6" from the right hand side and drill a hole" you shouldn't attempt something like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Going to hold back my comments until you're done... but with the area we have available for a FMIC on these cars, the fact that you probably won't drive around with ice all day long, it's annoying if/when the start leaking, and this is your daily driver... just ehhhh.are you saying room is an issue? water setups are much more compact compared to air to air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulr Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 I think his point was there is room to mount a huge FMIC up front as opposed to much smaller cars, and with the ability to mount a huge FMIC the headache of an air/water system would probably be diminishing returns (if it even helps at all), not that there wouldn't be room. I just want to hear how it turns out, first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
550 Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 are you saying room is an issue? water setups are much more compact compared to air to air.Yeah but they also require alot more components than does an air to air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Yeah but they also require alot more components than does an air to air.true, but when you're trying to make power, water to air is one of the best ways to do heat exchange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaze1385 Posted May 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 I am going to use a shur-flo pump same one a friend uses on his Typhoon. The pump wil only be running when it reaches a certain temp, will use some kind of adjustable temp switch. It does not need to run all the time. All junkyard stuff. WIth the battery gone there is plenty of room there for the intercooler, Using the tiny scirocco radiator frees up room for the 400ex radiator. The scirocco and 400ex rad will be mounted in a frame that i will make from 1/2" or so square tubing that will all mount on the factory rad mounting tabs. Rubber bushings in between. The only reason i used the old fire extinguisher for a reservoir is because i thought it would look different, and i am a firefighter. HAHAHA. Speaking of firefighter stuff, here is what i use to hold my nitrous bottle in my Merkur. It is an old SCBA airpack, I just made some little legs for it to mount at an angle and bolt it to the floor. and took all the shoulder straps off of it. and voila one quick release NOS bottle bracket that is original and different. Tell me what you think of this radiator install i helped do on my friends 81 vw rabbit pickup, with a turboed vr6 in it, didnt have enough room when we added the huge Incon air to air intercooler up front. This thing ran perfect, never a glitch, we used the entire front subframe from the 96 vr6 jetta we got the engine from. Drove as smooth as can be, and dynoed 495hp to the wheels, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
550 Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 true, but when you're trying to make power, water to air is one of the best ways to do heat exchange.Actually, i have always heard the contrary... how come other cars running far more HP are running air to air intercoolers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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