SkyWriter Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 You must have really deep pockets.yup, and an indie i can trust.anyway all this is going nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt1122 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 So I am assuming that you've had one since you have all of this knowledge of the S80. So, please share with me why you didn't like yours. I'm not talking about whatever everyone else has told you about it. I mean your actual experience.WTF do you think I just did?so many people tell me "your car is an ugly brick", i have to correct them that while it is a brick, it is not ugly. it's a pretty brick I have gotten some looks in my T-5R but no one who's been around the car a bit hasn't fallen completely for it.I think that's what a lot of us like about these cars so much - they have an older squareish style. It's unique.Even now, 10 years after the last 850s were made, I think the 850 looks more modern than any of the E36 BMWs made during most of the 850s' lives.While they can be boring, an R in great condition w/ pegs looks pretty damned nice.An S80 T6 with pegs looks like a boring car with nice rims! Even if it's just a year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownTurboBrick Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 So because you had a bad T6, they all suck?My point is, it just gets very old hearing nothing but negative comments whenever an S80 is brought up. You can't tell me that if everytime someone said 850/S70 and I instantly wrote what a piece of crap they are, you wouldn't get tired of it. Again this is not just the case with my S80, but also with my V40.Another thing. I was certainly not comparing the 850 to the S80! I was just trying to make a point.See obviously you fail at reading comprehension and I shouldn't even bother replying to you, but i'm going to make this last attempt to knock some sense into you before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.You're as hard headed as anyone on here so you've already dug your heels in and are ready to keep this idiotic rant going.I OWNED A S80!!! you whine and moan about ppl who talk about the cars with no experience with the vehicle, and when someone on here comes to prove you wrong, you completely glaze over that fact. I did not say S80's suck, i said i love it, its a extremely comfortable car, but the T6 is a POS and made the line look very undependable. It trashed the reputation for XC90's. I would of been much happier in a N/A S80 i wouldn't of had the same nightmare. So take that stick out of your jerk, grow the hell up and stop assuming everything is a personal attack. If you don't like it move on, but you've already proven you don't quite understand anything anyone is saying and you're just going to twist this post into another idiotic defense. Your blind ignorance is appalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzimark Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 I have gotten some looks in my T-5R but no one who's been around the car a bit hasn't fallen completely for it.I think that's what a lot of us like about these cars so much - they have an older squareish style. It's unique.i know what you mean on that one. it's one of those initial impression things. to those who are used to the curvey lines, it takes a while to get used to, but it's undeniably a nice looking car, even if it is a brick everyone i know who has ridden in the car loves it, even my ex who is an audi junkie would rather drive my car than hers :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kildea Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 ok, so lots of you guys have opinions concerning the s80, that's cool, what i am curious about is those t6 comments i'm seeing peppered in here and there.i'm curious because i fail to see why any of you whiteblock drivers would criticize a whiteblock that has an extra cylinder, a better flowing head, oil squirters, a nice long throw for the long dwell, and thicker sleeves than your big 5-cyls?it's a mighty stout motor, certainly tougher than the 850r motors, and with the extra displacement it yield's a higher power ceiling with stock parts.the turbos are too small, but that is simple enough to remedy, if someone wants to, the point is that other than skywriter, some guys on turbobricks, and myself, nobody here has done anything to build up these motors, and i find that curious.so how about some of you guys with negatory comments on the t6 motor, why don't you try to explain what about the t6 is different/worse than the 5-cyl variants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownTurboBrick Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 T6 motor itself sweet motor, i'm going to use a built one in my next project, its just gonna be in a different chassis and sport a very different drive train. As for the T6's failures, drivetrain parts failing and clock work like turbo failure makes it a somewhat unreliable production vehicle wouldn't you say? I don't think anybody has discredited it as a performing motor. It is in almost every aspect a whiteblock 5 + 1 cylinder. Its the fit and finish quality of the T6 that makes the vehicle hard to love. I still have a bad taste in my mouth after those issues. I feel just as badly for Mogatu'r's ordeal with his XC90. Everyone here needs to understand its not an argument to wheather or not the T6 motor is any good, its an argument of the T6 overall production value as a reliable daily driver.Now what i will argue is that the S80 is a boat, it can definitely be a freeway bruiser with a good setup, but the chances of one winning an auto-x event are none. As limited as the aftermarket is for 850/x70's the S80's is non existent, everything is one off, and theres nothing yet that will make a S80 a demon as bolt ons. Hell we can't even do that for 850/x70's. I'd much rather build an S80 as a VIP show car and street cruiser then I will a track menance, and i can never consider the 850's track kings as there are so many faster cheaper better performing cars out of the box, but i do it to be different. So what is the point of all this manufacturer canabilism? let it go already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kildea Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 yeah, i dig what you are saying, and it's kind-of my point in posting earlier.my perspective is that the car comes with a nasty powerplant in there already, transmissions can be built up, turbos can be upgraded, and suspensions can be modified, this is the sort of stuff that makes a PROJECT car fun.we are discussing modifying the thing for performance, not reliability.this "boat" is only a couple hundred pounds heavier than the other volvos (~3600lbs as i recall), having me in the passenger seat makes up the weight difference between this and an s60, so i think the weight difference could easily be made up for in a little removal of unnecessary gear here and there and some suspension work (probably just the suspension work actually).the point is, why bother to discourage someone from modifying a car because it has a questionable trackrecord for being in and out of the shop ... that's why we modify, to replace the gear that isn't built up to snuff with more purpose-designed stuff.as an example my workspace is in uxbridge (if you've been there then you will understand why it's relevant), i have old hot-rod guys stopping in to check on my progress often, most of then just don't get why i'd waste my time on a volvo 240 when there are so many sports cars out there that have a strong aftermarket, and my answer is that i think i can do BETTER with my 240 that one could do with another nova, or another chevelle, or another bmw ... etc.they think i'm nuts ... another volvo guy sure wouldn't though.don't forget there are now TWO 11-second 1/4 mile cars on turbobricks, both on redblocks.we should be encouraging other guys/gals to modify what they can, keep a daily driver and rip the hell out of their project car and see if some of you here on volvospeed can catch up with the redblock guys already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt1122 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 T6 motor itself sweet motor, i'm going to use a built one in my next project, its just gonna be in a different chassis and sport a very different drive train.EXACTLY! We should take the T6 motors out of the crappy S80s and put them in project cars that DON'T suck as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt1122 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 I present to you the most helpful (count how many Ls are in that word) post in this entire thread.Helpfull Thank you for your contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzimark Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 EXACTLY! We should take the T6 motors out of the crappy S80s and put them in project cars that DON'T suck as much.i have entertained this thought before, but have concluded that it's gonna be a mighty tight fit in the 850/70 engine compartment, with the width of the extra cylinder and all doable? probably. i wanna see it happen. 20% more displacement on the same technology should give roughly 20% more power... so the high end builds that put down 400-500whp indicate that a properly built T6 can do 480-600whp. that would be interesting on a fwd car <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kildea Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 EXACTLY! We should take the T6 motors out of the crappy S80s and put them in project cars that DON'T suck as much.an 850 doesn't suck out of the box?you must be kidding, right?with enough work a project car can be fun ... your 850 was probably "better" car to begin with than my crappy 240 ... but now that the 240 is a "project" i've been able to remedy that, why not do the same with an s80.the point is these are all project cars, and just because you guys are too tazzy to try turning an s80 into a project does not mean that the end result of said project wouldn't rip.it just means you've got to learn to stand up when you pee and try something that might be ... DIFFICULT (oh the horror!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kildea Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 i have entertained this thought before, but have concluded that it's gonna be a mighty tight fit in the 850/70 engine compartment, with the width of the extra cylinder and all doable? probably. i wanna see it happen. 20% more displacement on the same technology should give roughly 20% more power... so the high end builds that put down 400-500whp indicate that a properly built T6 can do 480-600whp. that would be interesting on a fwd car as it turns out the t6 is not that much longer than the 850 5-cyl motors.less than the extra 88mm or so that you get on the block, since volvo changed the front of the crank, and the harmonic dampener and the belts, etc, they moved the cam belt back 1/4 inch as well as the accessory belt, and they skinnied-up the harmonic dampener, so you get back ~3/4 of and inch, so you are talking about only ~2.4-2.9 inches longer, the biggest issue you'd probably see is the extra weight, but even that shouldn't be that big of a deal if you have coilovers already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzimark Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 as it turns out the t6 is not that much longer than the 850 5-cyl motors.less than the extra 88mm or so that you get on the block, since volvo changed the front of the crank, and the harmonic dampener and the belts, etc, they moved the cam belt back 1/4 inch as well as the accessory belt, and they skinnied-up the harmonic dampener, so you get back ~3/4 of and inch, so you are talking about only ~2.4-2.9 inches longer, the biggest issue you'd probably see is the extra weight, but even that shouldn't be that big of a deal if you have coilovers already.so it'll fit, just gotta see if the mounts have changed, if so, custom fab some, make the T6 ecu work with the new chassis, and make sure the transmission still lines up the way it's supposed to in the end. nice. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kildea Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 so it'll fit, just gotta see if the mounts have changed, if so, custom fab some, make the T6 ecu work with the new chassis, and make sure the transmission still lines up the way it's supposed to in the end. nice. and if the transmission lines up properly it might be usefull for the s80 guys to know, my guess is it would be cheaper to cobble a proven manual transmissions into the s80 chassis than it would be to have a custom gearset put together for the s80. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzimark Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 give it a try. you said it yourself, it's a project car :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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