Seagrams Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Alright Boost problems have been on hold for a while cause of this.So i took the black mamba down to my indie last week for it's check up and for them to take a peek at a couple of trouble spots. The one that's really chapping my a*s is this clunk i'm getting from the passengers side wheel area. If i'm say backing out of a driveway or parking space, i put the car in reverse, cut the wheel back up and when i stop the car (to put it in drive) i get a "DUNG" coming from the PS wheel well area. I redid my endlinks with Tom's (they rock btw) and know my front struts need to be replaced (spring seats aren't shot) and this sound has been becoming more and more frequent i.e. it happens sometimes when stopping hard in a straight line (like when moronica and her lap dog in front of me forget how to drive) and sometimes when going SLOWLY over the monster pot holes on my road (it also started happening on the drivers side as well but only once in a blue moon.) Since i ruled out the endlinks i was thinking control arms so i told them to check for any play there (jam a pry bar in or something).I got a call from them Sat evening saying they did the service, fixed the busted rear seat belt receiver my cuz's angry gf broke yada yada, and asked about the control arms. They said i needed a new front left axle cause there was some play in it. O.K. i said, but why the left one, the noise was most def. coming from the passengers side. anyway, they got the wrong axle tuesday when they opened again, my man said he'd have the new one in shop and on the car the next day (wed). no word yesterday, i figured what the hell, i didn't have time to pick it up yesterday anyway.Called today and they said it wasn't the axle. Said they had another volvo tech in there yesterday to help with another project and according to him on the 850's esp. the R's it's normal to develop a little play in the "piston" in the tranny and this is what would be making the noise while i was switching gears (i'm always slightly skeptical when someone tells me it's "normal" to develop play in something). WTF i said to myself!!!! So back to square one. I said A.) maybe you misunderstand, the noise isn't when i switch gears and B.) it is DEF. not coming from the tranny (i do know my right from my left) it sound more like a suspension issue and happens in the situation i described above. He said he'd take it for another drive now that he was clearer on the prob and let me know. I understand there may have been a miscommunication between the guys in front and the techs in the shop (it happens, hasn't cost me unnecessary moneys yet) but doesn't this "DUNG" sound, sound like the control arms? (or could it be old struts?If they can't track it down in the next few hours i guess i'll have to go down there myself (which i don't really have time to do) and have a little one on one with the tech or just tell 'em to give me the damn tool, i'm gonna do it myself. Don't get me wrong, these guys usually do really know thier stuff, miscommunications are a b*tch, but does any of this make sense to you guys? I took it there because wrangling a floor jack in a gravel driveway in 30 degree weather is about as much fun as a trip to the dentist and with snow on the way this weekend forget it.At least i'm not without a car, rocking an 03 XC70 2.5T now, not a bad chubby little swede with a fair amount of giddyup imho Thanks guys any suggestions/advice or even support would be great before i decide to take this out on my secretary :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Check the rear engine mount. If you pop off the passenger side wheel liner you can get a good look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAzOR Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Replace the struts before you go crazy with this. And when you do, eyeball and hand-rock the control arm bushings. Struts can make a knuckling noise when they fail. With enough guys, you can get the car going up and down, and you may hear the knuckling sound. In my case, it was the strut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KlausC Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Check the rear engine mount. If you pop off the passenger side wheel liner you can get a good look at it.What a good idea, but I would think that is the front engine mount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 VII 7 Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 What a good idea, but I would think that is the front engine mount. +1 I got confused by chucks comment when he said rear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnum46 Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Alright Boost problems have been on hold for a while cause of this.So i took the black mamba down to my indie last week for it's check up and for them to take a peek at a couple of trouble spots. The one that's really chapping my funny is this clunk i'm getting from the passengers side wheel area. If i'm say backing out of a driveway or parking space, i put the car in reverse, cut the wheel back up and when i stop the car (to put it in drive) i get a "DUNG" coming from the PS wheel well area. I redid my endlinks with Tom's (they rock btw) and know my front struts need to be replaced (spring seats aren't shot) and this sound has been becoming more and more frequent i.e. it happens sometimes when stopping hard in a straight line (like when moronica and her lap dog in front of me forget how to drive) and sometimes when going SLOWLY over the monster pot holes on my road (it also started happening on the drivers side as well but only once in a blue moon.) Since i ruled out the endlinks i was thinking control arms so i told them to check for any play there (jam a pry bar in or something).I got a call from them Sat evening saying they did the service, fixed the busted rear seat belt receiver my cuz's angry gf broke yada yada, and asked about the control arms. They said i needed a new front left axle cause there was some play in it. O.K. i said, but why the left one, the noise was most def. coming from the passengers side. anyway, they got the wrong axle tuesday when they opened again, my man said he'd have the new one in shop and on the car the next day (wed). no word yesterday, i figured what the hell, i didn't have time to pick it up yesterday anyway.Called today and they said it wasn't the axle. Said they had another volvo tech in there yesterday to help with another project and according to him on the 850's esp. the R's it's normal to develop a little play in the "piston" in the tranny and this is what would be making the noise while i was switching gears (i'm always slightly skeptical when someone tells me it's "normal" to develop play in something). WTF i said to myself!!!! So back to square one. I said A.) maybe you misunderstand, the noise isn't when i switch gears and B.) it is DEF. not coming from the tranny (i do know my right from my left) it sound more like a suspension issue and happens in the situation i described above. He said he'd take it for another drive now that he was clearer on the prob and let me know. I understand there may have been a miscommunication between the guys in front and the techs in the shop (it happens, hasn't cost me unnecessary moneys yet) but doesn't this "DUNG" sound, sound like the control arms? (or could it be old struts?If they can't track it down in the next few hours i guess i'll have to go down there myself (which i don't really have time to do) and have a little one on one with the tech or just tell 'em to give me the damn tool, i'm gonna do it myself. Don't get me wrong, these guys usually do really know thier stuff, miscommunications are a b*tch, but does any of this make sense to you guys? I took it there because wrangling a floor jack in a gravel driveway in 30 degree weather is about as much fun as a trip to the dentist and with snow on the way this weekend forget it.At least i'm not without a car, rocking an 03 XC70 2.5T now, not a bad chubby little swede with a fair amount of giddyup imho Thanks guys any suggestions/advice or even support would be great before i decide to take this out on my secretary had the same exact problem. I got new KONI's and problem free since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 What a good idea, but I would think that is the front engine mount. The front mount is hydraulic and cannot be inspected via the wheel well. Its the mount at the rear of the engine. IE rear engine mount but on a Volvo is actually on the side of the subframe. They tend to fail and clunk on gear changes and stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1mmer Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 The front mount is hydraulic and cannot be inspected via the wheel well. Its the mount at the rear of the engine. IE rear engine mount but on a Volvo is actually on the side of the subframe. They tend to fail and clunk on gear changes and stops.He's right. Mine stuff the bed a while back and I replaced that and the torque mount too this past weekend when I put in a new PS rack. It's quiet now - AB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KlausC Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 The front mount is hydraulic and cannot be inspected via the wheel well. Its the mount at the rear of the engine. IE rear engine mount but on a Volvo is actually on the side of the subframe. They tend to fail and clunk on gear changes and stops.Quite confusing isn't it? We are talking about the same engine pad (8631702-1) that is just above the control arm on the passenger side. Just move the little fender flap out of the way and there it is. Mine broke into 2 pieces at about 122K miles. Dealer price was around $110.But, that is the front of the engine, the rear of the engine bolts to the tranny... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Quite confusing isn't it? We are talking about the same engine pad (8631702-1) that is just above the control arm on the passenger side. Just move the little fender flap out of the way and there it is. Mine broke into 2 pieces at about 122K miles. Dealer price was around $110.But, that is the front of the engine, the rear of the engine bolts to the tranny...Except there is no mount on the transmission side of the engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seagrams Posted February 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Ok motor mount, sounds good. So check this out, i'm totally on the verge of flipping my nut:First off let me say my indie is a great guy, knowledgeable about volvos, been really really good to me and my fam over the years. Problem is he's out of town till the 4th and the guy in charge of the shop, while also a good guy, isn't a mechanic and mainly deals with invoices and such so it's basically him and a couple grease monkeys in the back. So i went up there today to demonstrate this popping sound and to generally see what was going on. We got in the car and the first thing i noticed is that A.) it took awhile to start (didn't do that before) and B.) when it did start, it was running WAY sluggishly, i'd say without really driving it for a good while, it's running worse than before. I actually got the sound to pop for him, once with the wheel cut and then a couple more times by hitting the brakes hard. So at least he heard it. BUT when i brought it in, i left them a note detailing all the things i wanted them to check out (cause i have a bad memory) and one of the things was the brakes. Recently they've been real spongy-almost scary spongy and today they still were. They checked the pads, calipers and rotors and said they were fine, i turned the car off, stepped on the brake pedal and started it and it BARELY moved... Brake Booster perhaps? I asked them to look into that, clearly they didn't. BUT you wanna know the REAL kicker!?so after driving it for a bit i parked it again and decided to pop the hood as long as i was there with him (again he's not a mechanic, i kinda feel sorry for the guy he's totally swamped by these pushy hamptons people) and there was FRICKIN' WHITE STEAM shooting off the thermostat housing where the upper rad hose connects :angry: . The hose is kinda old, but no signs of failure until now. The steam was def. coolant smelling and CHRIST, if i had driven it outta there trusting they CHECKED that sh*t like their supposed to and had that hose blow on me I woulda killed someone (there aren't enough emoticons to describe how i'm feeling now) :angry: but that's kinda close. Plus there was oily nasties all over the engine, top of the block, all around the distributer cap even a big oily stain on top of the ECU box and the relay holder on top of the radiator that were not there before!! It looks like my engine overheated and puked superheated sludgies out of every damn hole, seal, gasket and dongle and then recondensed them everywhere when it cooled idk.They're gonna put it back up on the lift first thing in the AM and recheck the control arms, the brake booster/system and one other thing i can't remember at the moment (i told you my memory was bad and I'm like so totally emotional now (wah) ).I'll also now tell them to check the rear (right che, it's the rear?) motor mount and I probably will have to do the tranny mount (while i shifted gears from reverse to drive I got a sort of twisting torquey lurch to the left that also wasn't there before) at some point, but with my super slow RMS leak, all that stuff is nasty and that oil can't be good for the rubber in the mounts anyway.WTF am i right guys? is there anything else you can think of i should have them do (I almost don't want them to touch it till my main man gets back, he woulda totally taken those techs for a dance in the six sided ring of fire had he been there)So that and a ballcock day at the office = boo day for this hombre. Time for some brown liquor and then off to play with some firetrucks that should make me feel SLIGHTLY better . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Sounds like someone should be doing their own work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seagrams Posted February 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Sounds like someone should be doing their own work.sounds like someone wants to buy me a sick set of snap ons/macs and a garage with a lift or at least a pit.... i'll even let you paint a giant Volvospeed logo on it . Sponsor me and i'll build a wagon that'll beat your cute little T5-R sedan like a red headed step child!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che'_Moderator Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 sounds like someone wants to buy me a sick set of snap ons/macs and a garage with a lift or at least a pit.... i'll even let you paint a giant Volvospeed logo on it . Sponsor me and i'll build a wagon that'll beat your cute little T5-R sedan like a red headed step child!!!!! :lol: :lol: Its not 1995 anymore. Step up and take on the S60 if you think your ready :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge_Brownie Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 I had this weird mofo of a "clunk" or "pop" that I couldn't hunt down. It would happen when I slammed the gas in 1st or 2nd, and would happen again with even the slightest tap of the brake pedal after that. It would also happen at just the right angle when backing out of my driveway. I couldn't find play in the C-arms, but we put a large block of wood in front of the tire in the road and kept slamming the front tire into the block of wood. This reproduced the sound over and over and eventually concluded that while the rubber in the arms was still there, it had gone soft. The arm was moving around too much. I replaced them, and poof the sound was gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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